What happens if Biden gets his $15 minimum wage passed?

T. A. Gardner said:
Here in Arizona when the minimum wage laws were changed about the same time, the new law had no exemptions written into it. One particular industry / business sector basically ceased to exist within months losing about 7,000 jobs. That was companies that employed the severely handicapped.
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This sounds like half-truth bullshit to me, so you're gonna have to source this wild claim.
 
LV426 said:
I source all the time, and in fact, I even sourced to the tax brackets on this very thread because of how fucking wrong you were about them.

Stahp.
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No you don't.

But just to make you happy...

Due to a twist in Arizona's new minimum-wage law, several thousand disabled workers could be out of jobs next month.

To avert the potential layoffs, disability advocates are scrambling to persuade the state Legislature to return before year's end in a special session to fix what they call an unintended consequence of the popular minimum-wage law.

At issue is whether the law, which takes effect Jan. 1 and requires a $6.75 hourly wage, applies to employers who currently pay less than the minimum wage to disabled workers.

The "commensurate wage," permitted by federal law, allows a lower pay scale to reflect a worker's reduced ability.
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https://azdailysun.com/news/state-a...cle_896931e3-4233-5d05-bb2d-de00fe0d0c8a.html

When Arizona voters approved Proposition 202 in November to set the state’s minimum wage at $6.75 per hour, the new law did not include an exemption for developmentally disabled workers. Before Prop. 202, Arizona wages were controlled by the federally mandated minimum wage of $5.15 per hour and there was an exemption that allowed a lower hourly rate to be paid to workers of diminished productivity.

The “vast majority” of TCH’s workers “produce at 25-30 percent of the ‘norm’,” Cutty noted. Some work only two hours each day while others would require a full-time attendant if they worked in other businesses.
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https://www.wranglernews.com/fp021707.htm

And, Biden's--And the Democrat's $15 wage plan would do it too:

Legislation involving the minimum wage aims to raise pay for people with severe disabilities but could result in eliminating their jobs.

Congressional Democrats recently introduced the Raise the Wage Act, which would increase the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15 an hour by 2024. It would also stop the Department of Labor (DOL) from allowing certain employers to pay workers with significant disabilities less than the federal minimum wage.
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https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/news/...e-Bill-Low-Ends-Pay-Workers-Disabilities.aspx
 
Yakuda said:
That fucking moron a waste of good oxygen
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Biden and the Democrats want it eliminated because labor unions want it eliminated. They want these workers unionized and paid union scale. Of course, employers aren't going to pay somebody that's marginally productive a full wage to do little work, but the unions don't care. Like everything else the Left does it's our way or the highway...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Biden and the Democrats want it eliminated because labor unions want it eliminated. They want these workers unionized and paid union scale. Of course, employers aren't going to pay somebody that's marginally productive a full wage to do little work, but the unions don't care. Like everything else the Left does it's our way or the highway...
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They aren't done raping America just yet
 
T. A. Gardner said:
https://azdailysun.com/news/state-a...cle_896931e3-4233-5d05-bb2d-de00fe0d0c8a.html
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Whoa...I'm impressed...if this wasn't from 2006, which is right around the same time Arizona's economy started hitting the dumpster because of the housing bubble.

Also, "May"? It's 14 years from when this article was written, so what did Arizona's labor report have to say in the end? DO THE WORK, MAN.


https://www.wranglernews.com/fp021707.htm
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Again, if its their choice to work fewer hours, which is the case for many of these workers, how is that a bad thing? If anything, fewer hours means more hiring to fill the demand.


Legislation involving the minimum wage aims to raise pay for people with severe disabilities but could result in eliminating their jobs.
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Could! But won't. Didn't before, won't now.


Congressional Democrats recently introduced the Raise the Wage Act, which would increase the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15 an hour by 2024. It would also stop the Department of Labor (DOL) from allowing certain employers to pay workers with significant disabilities less than the federal minimum wage.
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And this is a bad thing, why?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No you don't.

But just to make you happy...


https://azdailysun.com/news/state-a...cle_896931e3-4233-5d05-bb2d-de00fe0d0c8a.html


https://www.wranglernews.com/fp021707.htm

And, Biden's--And the Democrat's $15 wage plan would do it too:


https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/news/...e-Bill-Low-Ends-Pay-Workers-Disabilities.aspx
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Also, spamming links doesn't help your case if you're not also doing the work to follow up on those links, like the one from Arizona.

Arizona's Labor Department has a handy website where you can look at the employment data. BLS does the same. So let's look at Arizona's employment from 2006...keeping in mind that 2006 was also the start of the housing bubble collapse, with millions of loans entering delinquency at that time.

Looking at the BLS stats for Arizona in 2006, we see an unemployment rate in decline...

Unemployment in AZ was 4.5% in January 2006....by December 2006, it had dropped to 3.9%. So how does that jive with your claim that raising the minimum wage kills jobs and businesses?????? Or are you going to back into the "could" qualifier, knowing that it didn't?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Of course, employers aren't going to pay somebody that's marginally productive a full wage to do little work, but the unions don't care. Like everything else the Left does it's our way or the highway...
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"marginally productive"?

How are you measuring that?

Or are you just doing that shitty thing again where you substitute your own subjective judgment for actual truth?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Legislation involving the minimum wage aims to raise pay for people with severe disabilities but could result in eliminating their jobs.
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How you framed this is even worse than the argument you're using it to make...

So basically, what you're arguing here is that people with disabilities should be paid less because they are disabled, and the only reason they are employed right now is because they can be paid less than others.

So I'm confused by your argument...you want disabled people to work for wages lower than everyone else?

And BTW - you can't fire someone because they have a disability, even if the wage goes up...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I'm very troubled by you thinking that at-will employment, at wages below everyone else, for disabled people is something worth protecting.

You're saying that disabled people should get paid less.

Is that a position you are willing to defend here? I guess we'll see. Would love to get a glimpse of the pro-exploitation of disabled people argument that also isn't an indicator of late stage capitalism's collapse.

When you gotta justify your opposition to an increase of the MW by complaining that disabled people's labor can't be exploited, I think you've reached peak Conservatism.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
It takes a really shallow mind to be a TRUMPTARD to begin with- IT ONLY TAKES SOMEONE WITH A SOUND MIND TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO TRUMPTARDS AND READILY CALL THEM OUT! [Geeko Sportivo]

And, of course, you may always quote me!
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"Trumptard" is not my preferred pronoun...
 
The $15 minimum wage won't affect Biden at all.
He gets four hundred grand, which itself is pitifully low for his job.
The Major League rookie minimum is $563, 500 for comparison.

I don't give a fat fuck about laissez faire capitalism, obviously.

Anything worth doing is worth planning, and having an economy is worth doing.
If it needs hand-on government tweaking, which it clearly does, let's get on with it.
 
Crying crocodile tears over "severely disabled people" whose labor, by your own admission is being exploited, feels pretty fucking gross.
 
Legion said:
If DEMOCRATS have the answer to poverty, why is this the result of their policies?

Four of the five cities with the highest rate of unsheltered homelessness are in California: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Rosa and San Jose. Seattle joins the California municipalities in the top five.

The Trump administration may stage a federal intervention in California to address homelessness in the state.

As for state homelessness rates, the District of Columbia has the highest in the country, at 5.8 times the U.S. rate.

New York is next, followed by Hawaii, Oregon and California.

These five states together comprise 20% of the overall U.S. population but 45% of the country’s homeless population.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-state-is-home-to-nearly-half-of-all-people-living-on-the-streets-in-the-us-2019-09-18
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You make it seem like right wingers have any solutions at all.

It could simply be due to nicer weather.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Earlier I posted an article on how the $16 an hour minimum wage in Seattle, that's already in place, has negatively affected workers there but LV426 didn't bother to read that or if he did, didn't understand it.
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Only considering the short run equilibrium is special pleading. In the long run, higher paid labor creates more in demand and generates more in tax revenue (that can help fund social services).
 
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