DeSantis attempting to kill Florida Cruise Industry

[ExpressLane]

get vaxxed and board or dont get vaxxed and board. If you aint vaxxed and you debark on Carribean islands
you're gonna get it. But If im vaxxed - makes no difference to me if you get it

The other part of the law FINALLY MANDATES DOCTORS ON BOARD -much more important

EXACTLY!!! Its up to you if you want to take the risk but I personally would not advise it.

 

[Concart]

Nope the stats don't lie.

The stats don't say what you claim they say.

 

[dukkha]

Anyone that has already had COVID but has not had the vaccine is perfectly safe. And that is millions of people.

bingo. by now if you arent vaxxed, you've almost for sure been infected
if asymptomatic
Even when antibodies fade you still have m-Tcells
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1074761320305379

 

[LV426]

bingo. by now if you arent vaxxed, you've almost for sure been infected
if asymptomatic
Even when antibodies fade you still have m-Tcells
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1074761320305379

Completely misleading because those T-Cells do not protect you against variants of COVID.

They only MAY protect you briefly against the variant of COVID your diseased ass already caught.

 

[ExpressLane]

The stats don't say what you claim they say.

Ican't argue with this moron anymore

 

[Truth Detector]

Me and my "very fine people" have this really bad habit where we invent people, circumstances, or scenarios that just so happen to confirm our biases, yet we refuse to verify any of it.

Indeed.

 

[dukkha]

https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/13/vaccines-work-variants-complicated/
Pfizer COVID vaccine protects against worrying coronavirus variants
Data from Qatar provide strongest evidence yet that COVID-19 vaccines can stop strains thought to pose a threat to immunization efforts.
Ewen Callaway

Gloved hands holding Pfizer vaccines.
Doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine being prepared in Toronto, Canada.Credit: Steve Russell/Toronto Star/Getty

Qatar’s second wave of COVID-19 was a double whammy. In January, after months of relatively few cases and deaths, the Gulf nation saw a surge driven by the fast-spreading B.1.1.7 variant, which was first identified in the United Kingdom. Weeks later, the B.1.351 strain, which is linked to reinfections and dampened vaccine effectiveness, took hold.

Amid this storm, researchers in Qatar have found some of the strongest evidence yet that current vaccines can quell variants such as B.1.351. Clinical trials in South Africa — where B.1.351 was first identified — had suggested that vaccines would take a hit against such variants. But this study offers a fuller picture of what countries battling such variants can expect.


Who received the first billion COVID vaccinations?

People in Qatar who received two doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine were 75% less likely to develop a case of COVID-19 caused by B.1.351 than were unvaccinated people, and had near-total protection from severe disease caused by that strain.

The findings — published on 5 May in The New England Journal of Medicine1 — suggest that current RNA vaccines are a potent weapon against the most worrisome immune-evading variants. Pfizer, based in New York City, and BioNTech, in Mainz, Germany, are developing an updated RNA vaccine targeting B.1.351, as is Moderna, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Early results from Moderna’s efforts suggest that a booster shot of the updated vaccine triggers a strong response against B.1.351.

“I think this variant is probably the worst of all the variants we know,” says Laith Jamal Abu-Raddad, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Weill Cornell Medicine—Qatar in Doha, who led the Qatari study. “We have the tools, despite these variants, to control at least the severe forms of infection — and this should work quite well on transmission.”

Weaker protection
Researchers in South Africa identified B.1.351 in late 2020, and it’s now the predominant strain there. Laboratory studies show that the variant harbours mutations that blunt the effects of virus-blocking antibodies, and trials suggest that some COVID-19 vaccines are significantly less effective against the strain than against others.

Early lab research suggested that RNA vaccines, including the Pfizer–BioNTech jab, would be weakened by B.1.351, but probably not fully compromised. In April, the companies announced that a small trial in South Africa had found the vaccine to be fully effective against B.1.351, but the study of 800 people recorded a total of just 6 infections caused by B.1.351 in the placebo group, so efficacy might have been much lower.


First evidence that COVID vaccines protect people against new variants

Abu-Raddad’s team analysed tens of thousands of COVID-19 cases that occurred between the start of Qatar’s vaccination campaign in late December and the end of March. Genome sequencing showed that B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 were the predominant coronavirus lineages during this period and, from mid-February, each accounted for about half of the country’s cases.

The researchers compared SARS-CoV-2 infection rates in vaccinated people with those in unvaccinated controls. People who received two vaccine doses were about 90% less likely to develop an infection caused by B.1.1.7, echoing findings from Israel, the United Kingdom and elsewhere. The researchers identified around 1,500 ‘breakthrough’ infections caused by the B.1.351 variant in vaccinated individuals, but only 179 of these occurred more than 2 weeks after the second dose. There were hardly any severe cases of COVID-19 caused by either B.1.1.7 or B.1.351 among fully vaccinated individuals.

“Even though there were breakthrough infections, they didn’t lead to hospitalization and death, except very, very rarely,” says Abu-Raddad. Two people died of COVID-19 caused by B.1.351 after receiving their second vaccine dose, but it is very likely that they were infected before the protective effects of the booster shot began. “If, a year ago, I told somebody we would have 75% effectiveness against the worst variants we had, they would consider this extremely good news,” Abu-Raddad adds.






But Madhi expects that other vaccines will also prevent severe disease caused by that variant. In another 5 May New England Journal of Medicine study2, his team reported that the jab produced by biotechnology company Novavax in Gaithersburg, Maryland, lowered the risk of getting COVID-19 by 60% in participants without HIV in a South African trial involving more than 6,000 people. As-yet unpublished data show that the vaccine was highly effective against severe cases of COVID-19 caused by B.1.351, with no cases in vaccinated individuals and five in the placebo arm.

If vaccine efficacy is lower against B.1.351, even highly successful immunization programmes in countries affected by the variant might not reduce cases to the same extent as in countries dealing with less troublesome strains, says Madhi. “Nevertheless, by protecting high-risk individuals, we could still return to a relatively normal lifestyle, even with ongoing circulation.”

Qatar, where more than one-third of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, might provide an early glimpse at how the worst coronavirus variants can be controlled. Abu-Raddad says there is evidence that the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine might also be highly effective at blocking transmission of B.1.351. And after cases of the variant peaked in mid-April, he says, “things have been going extremely well, the numbers are going down very, very rapidly”.

Nature 593, 325-326 (2021)

doi: https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-021-01222-5

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

 

[dukkha]

Completely misleading because those T-Cells do not protect you against variants of COVID.

They only MAY protect you briefly against the variant of COVID your diseased ass already caught.

lies
effective immune memory can persist for decades and typically results in enhanced responses and accelerated pathogen control, generation of robust and durable T and B cell memory is a goal of vaccines, including the many vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 that are currently in human trials.

 

[LV426]

lies

No, the guy who lied about COVID from the beginning, who called it a hoax, who pushed HCQ, who lied about getting an unsolicited mail in ballot, is not the same guy who will tell the truth about COVID.

ffective immune memory can persist for decades and typically results in enhanced responses and accelerated pathogen control, generation of robust and durable T and B cell memory is a goal of vaccines, including the many vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 that are currently in human trials.

No study shows or proves this with COVID.

In fact, peer-reviewed studies show that the longest a "natural immunity" to that specific strain of COVID will last is 10 months.

One of your dipshit "very fine people" accidentally linked to that study.

 

[Concart]

Ican't argue with this moron anymore

I accept your unconditional surrender. Tell me again about HIPPA doc.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

 

[Wolverine]

Are you afraid to answer the question? Do you think this is overreach by the government? Yes or no? You think private businesses should 'bend the knee' to government? Pretty telling there, sport.

Don't know should bakers?

 

[Wolverine]

Completely misleading because those T-Cells do not protect you against variants of COVID.

They only MAY protect you briefly against the variant of COVID your diseased ass already caught.

So how do you know the vaccine protects you from variants, not enough time has passed to tell!

 

[LV426]

So how do you know the vaccine protects you from variants, not enough time has passed to tell!

The vaccine protects you from symptoms, but it does not protect you from contracting and spreading the virus as an asymptomatic carrier.

So if you're unvaccinated, you are at high risk of catching a symptomatic variant of COVID, even from vaccinated people.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Sorry, budget bookers and buffet habitués — the time has come to stop pretending that cruise ships are anything but overcrowded nightmare tanks filled with unhealthy food, food poisoning, insane drinking and drinking prices, entertainment coming straight from THE VOICE rejects, a virus in the waiting, bathroom smells that literally creep down the hallways, and alarmingly common occurrences of sewage overflow.

Cruise ships are like floating a Feed-Lot for cattle!

NEVER AGAIN!

 

[Wolverine]

The vaccine protects you from symptoms, but it does not protect you from contracting and spreading the virus as an asymptomatic carrier.

So if you're unvaccinated, you are at high risk of catching a symptomatic variant of COVID, even from vaccinated people.

Oh well let me rush right out and get me some of that!

 

[LV426]

Oh well let me rush right out and get me some of that!

So...you WANT to have a tube shoved down your throat?

Don't you always whine about things being shoved down your throat by other people? Here's your big chance to do something about it, and you're choking.

It's because you're full of shit, right? That's why you didn't go to DC on 1/6 either.

This is what you and other people have to look forward to by not getting vaccinated (the real fun starts at 14:30).

You're awake while they do this to you, BTW - no anesthesia.

 

[ExpressLane]

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Don’t tell Concrete that he likes living in ignorance

 

[Grokmaster]

Ron DeSantis is attempting to singlehandly kill off the cruise industry in Florida with his idiotic ban on vaccine passports. But the Trumptards will be happy I suppose, so go get 'em Ron-Ron!!!!

The cruise lines, naturally, are pushing back, insisting that they will require proof of vaccination and challenge DeSantis's 'order' in court. If they lose, they intend to leave the state. No cruise is going to allow their ships to sail with unvaccinated passengers, and no vaccinated passenger in their right mind would board without that requirement.

"Despite the insistence from DeSantis and Abbott, however, several cruise operators said this week that they plan to mandate vaccines on departures from Florida and Texas this summer.
Celebrity Cruises will be the first to attempt to navigate between DeSantis and the CDC, with a departure from Florida set for June 26. The company is requiring all passengers older than 16 to be vaccinated.
Meanwhile, Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings announced Monday that it plans to resume cruises out of Miami in August -- and will require all passengers to be vaccinated.
"At the end of the day, cruise ships have motors, propellers and rudders, and God forbid we can't operate in the state of Florida for whatever reason, then there are other states that we do operate from, and we can operate from the Caribbean for a ship that otherwise would have gone to Florida," CEO Frank Del Rio said on a May earnings call."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/poli...ican-governors-battle-cruise-lines/index.html

DeSantis might be the worst Governor in the nation. And he is about to be sucked into the Gaetz scandal. Can't wait to get rid of this idiot.

Discuss.

AND THE TOP MORON AT JPP , JUMPS UP AND TRUMPETS ITS IGNORANCE....AGAIN.

"FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!! FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!" HYPOCRITICAL DUNCE.


CDC guidance says cruise ships won't need to mandate vaccines

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday that while it recommends all staff and travelers aboard cruise ships be vaccinated for COVID-19, cruise companies do not need to mandate vaccines in order to resume travel safely.



https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-guidance-says-cruise-ships-154352815.html


Royal Caribbean reverses, won’t require passengers on U.S. cruises to be vaccinated



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251909713.html


DER.....UMM...DUH...

 

[Truth Detector]

And in the meantime, we should just assume that unvaccinated people are fine. Sure, you go with that, poser.

Population = 330,000,000
The number of deaths = 595,301
The number of cases = 33,207,488

Deaths = .189% OR, 18 one hundredths of a percent.
Infections = 10%
Recovery = 98.2%

Yeah dumbass, they have very little to worry about.