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DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Your Avatar that says "The 1% grabbed 82% of all wealth created in 2017", shouldn't that be "earned" rather than "grabbed"? You make it sound like they did something illegal or immoral. They didn't. They earned their wealth within the legal bounds of our capitalist system. Do you have a problem with that?
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Yes,I'm a Revolutionary Socialist,who wants the destruction of Corporate Capitalism.
 
MASON said:
Yes,I'm a Revolutionary Socialist,who wants the destruction of Corporate Capitalism.
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You framed a good debate with that one. Can't say I expect much. I may just have to go Republican on the downlow again to show those imbeciles
how to argue bourgeois style...
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Your Avatar that says "The 1% grabbed 82% of all wealth created in 2017", shouldn't that be "earned" rather than "grabbed"? You make it sound like they did something illegal or immoral. They didn't. They earned their wealth within the legal bounds of our capitalist system. Do you have a problem with that?
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No, the income disparity is unacceptable and tells the story of a broken system of Privatize The Profits/Socialize The Losses as the 2008 Wall Street debacle clearly showed us.

There’s nothing “normal” about having a middle class. Having a middle class is a choice that a society has to make, and it’s a choice we need to make again in this generation, if we want to stop the destruction of the remnants of the last generation's middle class. Despite what you might read in the Wall Street Journal or see on Fox News, capitalism is not an economic system that produces a middle class. In fact, if left to its own devices, capitalism tends towards vast levels of inequality and monopoly. The natural and most stable state of capitalism actually looks a lot like the Victorian England depicted in Charles Dickens’ novels.

At the top there is a very small class of superrich. Below them, there is a slightly larger, but still very small, "middle" class of professionals and mercantilists - doctor, lawyers, shop-owners - who help keep things running for the superrich and supply the working poor with their needs. And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.

So, for average working people, there is no such thing as a middle class in “normal” capitalism. Wealth accumulates at the very top among the elites, not among everyday working people. Inequality is the default option.

You can see this trend today in America. When we had heavily regulated and taxed capitalism in the post-war era, the largest employer in America was General Motors, and they paid working people what would be, in today's dollars, about $50 an hour with benefits. Reagan began deregulating and cutting taxes on capitalism in 1981, and today, with more classical "raw capitalism," what we call "Reaganomics," or "supply side economics," our nation's largest employer is WalMart and they pay around $10 an hour.

This is how quickly capitalism reorients itself when the brakes of regulation and taxes are removed - this huge change was done in less than 35 years. The only ways a working-class "middle class" can come about in a capitalist society are by massive social upheaval - a middle class emerged after the Black Plague in Europe in the 14th century - or by heavily taxing the rich.

https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/04/middle-class-not-“normal”
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MASON said:
Yes,I'm a Revolutionary Socialist,who wants the destruction of Corporate Capitalism.
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Hmmm, that's too bad because Corporate Capitalism is what made America great. You really think that The Industrial Revolution or Computer Revolution would've happened with Socialism? I don't. The Government is already too big to be managed efficiently. We're now adding about a Trillion dollars to the already massive $22 trillion debt.
And if your plan of Socialism doesn't work, there's no going back to Capitalism. That's a risk I'm not willing to take.
 
Cinnabar said:
No, the income disparity is unacceptable and tells the story of a broken system of Privatize The Profits/Socialize The Losses as the 2008 Wall Street debacle clearly showed us.
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I couldn't disagree more. Anybody in America can realize their dreams under our current system of Capitalism.

In America,
no matter who you are,
where you're from or
what you believe,

if you work hard,
educate yourself and
obey the law,

you can be as successful as you want to be.

Your statement: And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.

is flawed in so many ways. Any one of those "great mass of people" can be successful if they want to be. Problem is they're not willing to put in the work and do the other things to become successful. There's absolutely no reason why those 90% can't rise up the ladder of success.

Capitalism allows people to reach their own level of socio-economic success. The cream rises to the top. Look at the Americans who have risen out of poverty to become successful. There are millions of examples. And they did it with little help from the government. That's the way it should be. That's the way the Founders wanted it to be.

Do you subscribe to (D) JFK's mantra: Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country?
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
I couldn't disagree more. Anybody in America can realize their dreams under our current system of Capitalism.

In America,
no matter who you are,
where you're from or
what you believe,

if you work hard,
educate yourself and
obey the law,

you can be as successful as you want to be.

Your statement: And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.

is flawed in so many ways. Any one of those "great mass of people" can be successful if they want to be. Problem is they're not willing to put in the work and do the other things to become successful. There's absolutely no reason why those 90% can't rise up the ladder of success.

Capitalism allows people to reach their own level of socio-economic success. The cream rises to the top. Look at the Americans who have risen out of poverty to become successful. There are millions of examples. And they did it with little help from the government. That's the way it should be. That's the way the Founders wanted it to be.

Do you subscribe to (D) JFK's mantra: Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country?
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And yet the Charles Dickens like disparity is what we have after almost half a century of failed trickle down voodoo. And as more and more regulations are removed and more tax cuts are given it will only get worse. The proof is in the pudding so with that being said, I rest my case.
 
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DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Hmmm, that's too bad because Corporate Capitalism is what made America great. You really think that The Industrial Revolution or Computer Revolution would've happened with Socialism? I don't. The Government is already too big to be managed efficiently. We're now adding about a Trillion dollars to the already massive $22 trillion debt.
And if your plan of Socialism doesn't work, there's no going back to Capitalism. That's a risk I'm not willing to take.
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I'm willing to give it a shot,unless America starts making sure citizens have the basics,food,shelter,healthcare.
 
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