Into the Night
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Define 'third world'. Do you include the United States in that?
What happens if Biden gets his $15 minimum wage passed?
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Define 'third world'. Do you include the United States in that?
Into the Night
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WRONG. See your local drug dealer for details.
Into the Night
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ANYTHING dictating prices for wages is fascism. It is government manipulation of markets and prices.
Wages, like any price are set by market forces. Governments trying to manipulate that will always cause shortages, such as shortages of jobs and they move overseas to find employees willing to work for the market price.
danielpalos
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So you claim. Congress is delegated the power to fix Standards for the Union. Besides, minimum wages are not maximum wages. And, wages have not kept up with inflation as they should have if Capitalism was as effective as you claim.
Fixing a minimum wage merely changes that equilibrium for business. You are being disingenuous since business can pass some costs on to their customers and usually do whenever they can get away with it.
Into the Night
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Price controls are not a weight or a measure. They are fascism. They violate the Constitution of the United States of America. See the 4th,5th, and 14th amendments. Of course, you do not recognize the Constitution. You cannot use 'standards setting' to cancel the rest of the Constitution. Yes, the SOA can set standard (like screw thread sizes, and other weights and measures). No one is required to use any of them. There is no phrase 'setting standards' in the Constitution.
Never said they were. Strawman fallacy.
Inflation is caused by socialist actions by the government. They are printing money faster than wealth creation. Thanks to Democrats, they are trying to eliminate capitalism to implement fascism (a form of socialism) by oligarchy.
No. Market manipulation is not equilibrium. It is fascism.
Inversion fallacy.
No, they won't. They will just reduce costs. They can't raise the prices indiscriminately. They have to compete not only with other businesses in the same nation, they have to compete with other nations, and they have to have prices low enough to entice people to buy. They will simply fire minimum wage employees and go to automation or run on a reduced crew. You don't get this simple fact. It is YOU being disingenuous.
People out of work are not making wages.
No. Businesses can't just raise their price indiscriminately.
danielpalos
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Yes, they are. It isn't fascism simply because you say so. Our drug war is fascism since there is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause. Yet, You have a problem helping the People over the Profit.
It can't be fascism if there are no maximum wage limits.
You simply make stuff up and expect us to believe you. QE was Government simply printing money. Where was the inflation, or do you only have a problem with the Poor making more money?
Special pleading like usual? Simply Regulating Commerce is market manipulation, according to Your point of view.
Why won't businesses simply raise their cost to meet that change in market equilibrium that affects all markets affected by that change in the minimum wage. You make seem like right wingers don't care about their potential customers.
Only You are claiming an indiscriminate price increase when everybody knows it is a public law that caused the change.
It can't be fascism if there are no maximum wage limits.
You simply make stuff up and expect us to believe you. QE was Government simply printing money. Where was the inflation, or do you only have a problem with the Poor making more money?
Special pleading like usual? Simply Regulating Commerce is market manipulation, according to Your point of view.
Why won't businesses simply raise their cost to meet that change in market equilibrium that affects all markets affected by that change in the minimum wage. You make seem like right wingers don't care about their potential customers.
Only You are claiming an indiscriminate price increase when everybody knows it is a public law that caused the change.
PoliTalker
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Hello danielpalos,
If your definition of 'free market capitalism' means no government intervention at all, then you are correct. And I think it is a very good thing we don't have totally free market capitalism. If we did, we would have a terrible problem with wide spread destitution, and wealth inequality would be far more extreme than it already is.
If your definition of 'free market capitalism' means no government intervention at all, then you are correct. And I think it is a very good thing we don't have totally free market capitalism. If we did, we would have a terrible problem with wide spread destitution, and wealth inequality would be far more extreme than it already is.
danielpalos
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The Point is, businesses pass on costs to the consumer all the time. Why are they complaining about passing this cost on as well since it is due to public sector intervention?
First, he can only mandate that on Federal workers, who, for the most part, are making far more than that. BUT, when EO'd into law around Congress, it will hurt the very people who have been savaged by Government mandated shut downs the most.
Only uneducated morons in the Democratic Party of the Jackass cheer such stupidity.
danielpalos
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I use that definition for disambiguation with right wingers. I know we have a mixed market economy that is part socialism and part capitalism. Right wingers claim Government just IS, but is not a form of socialism and that we only have a capitalism based economy. My position is that Government must be something (for economics understanding) and that it is more a form of Socialism than it is a form of Capitalism. Government of the People, by the People, and for the People IS public ownership of that "means of production." In our case, a republican form of Government.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
PoliTalker
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Hello T. A. Gardner,
I gave a detailed answer, saw no reply; so I'll say it again:
It probably gets phased in over a number of years, so there would be no immediate negative impact.
A wise plan would give everyone time to adjust to what's coming and, frankly, long overdue.
Most employers and workers would not be affected, because a very low percentage of workers are actually paid the minimum.
Here are the 10 chief benefits for America that I see:
1. Some near-minimum wages would be raised accordingly, much to the relief of struggling low-end earners who are trying to make working worth while but having a pretty tough time of it.
2. There would be some inflation, but it won't be anywhere near the difference of increased wages for low wage workers. And, after all, some inflation is actually a good thing. Our monetary system actually depends on it and would collapse without it. If deflation ever took hold it would be devastating to our economy.
3. Low wage workers who currently hold several part-time jobs might find they are able to reduce the number of jobs they need, reduce the amount of commuting they do, reduce the costs for beater vehicles, vehicle maintenance and fuel. This could be helpful in the fight against global warming.
4. Low wage parents with more time on their hands would be able to spend more time with their children, and do a better job of parenting.
5. Struggling families who have been just out of reach of home ownership would be raised up to the level where they could save enough for a down payment and qualify for a mortgage.
6. The prevalence of predatory lending institutions such as payday loan joints and 'buy-here-pay-here' car lots selling seriously overpriced worn-out lemons to desperate workers would be reduced.
7. Dependence of the government dole would be reduced.
8. The economy would get a boost due to low-wage workers having more spending power.
9. Some people who have been unable to find legitimate work, and have turned to crime, may be more enthusiastic about working, and this would reduce our too-high prison population.
AND:
10. The race toward devastating extreme wealth inequality would be mitigated.
The way I see it, it would be a 10-way win for America.
I gave a detailed answer, saw no reply; so I'll say it again:
It probably gets phased in over a number of years, so there would be no immediate negative impact.
A wise plan would give everyone time to adjust to what's coming and, frankly, long overdue.
Most employers and workers would not be affected, because a very low percentage of workers are actually paid the minimum.
Here are the 10 chief benefits for America that I see:
1. Some near-minimum wages would be raised accordingly, much to the relief of struggling low-end earners who are trying to make working worth while but having a pretty tough time of it.
2. There would be some inflation, but it won't be anywhere near the difference of increased wages for low wage workers. And, after all, some inflation is actually a good thing. Our monetary system actually depends on it and would collapse without it. If deflation ever took hold it would be devastating to our economy.
3. Low wage workers who currently hold several part-time jobs might find they are able to reduce the number of jobs they need, reduce the amount of commuting they do, reduce the costs for beater vehicles, vehicle maintenance and fuel. This could be helpful in the fight against global warming.
4. Low wage parents with more time on their hands would be able to spend more time with their children, and do a better job of parenting.
5. Struggling families who have been just out of reach of home ownership would be raised up to the level where they could save enough for a down payment and qualify for a mortgage.
6. The prevalence of predatory lending institutions such as payday loan joints and 'buy-here-pay-here' car lots selling seriously overpriced worn-out lemons to desperate workers would be reduced.
7. Dependence of the government dole would be reduced.
8. The economy would get a boost due to low-wage workers having more spending power.
9. Some people who have been unable to find legitimate work, and have turned to crime, may be more enthusiastic about working, and this would reduce our too-high prison population.
AND:
10. The race toward devastating extreme wealth inequality would be mitigated.
The way I see it, it would be a 10-way win for America.
Small businesses, to the glee of amazon, google, and apple, cant afford to pay thier employees now due to covid. what happens when you make them double some employees pay?
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danielpalos
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I guess you don't want me to tell you what right wingers tell the Poor when they can't cover expenses due to a lack of income.Small businesses, to the glee of amazon, google, and apple, cant afford to pay thier employees now due to covid. what happens when you make them double some employees pay?
What about better access to welfare for small businesses?
No business needs welfare. They just need for the government to let them open up.
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danielpalos
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I think business opening up would have been less of a problem if right wingers had not claimed the pandemic is a hoax and insisted on going maskless which helps spread the virus.
The 3,124 COVID-19 deaths is the highest single-day death total in the country since the beginning of the pandemic and surpasses the death tolls from the 9/11 and Pearl Harbor attacks. Data from the Washington Post indicate that a large chunk of those deaths came from four states—Colorado, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Texas—each of which reported more than 200 COVID-19 deaths.
But every state is seeing an impact. In a news conference today, Idaho Governor Brad Little said COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in Idaho in November. "In multiple counties, the morgues are full, and they are starting to ask for refrigerated trailers to hold bodies," he said.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...erwhelming-hospitals-morgues-us-other-nations
The only reason small businesses are facing that problem is because you didn't want to provide relief to workers to keep money in their pockets to spend with these small businesses. You didn't want to even do the first round of checks.
So you pretended the virus was no big deal, then the virus became a big enough deal that it scared consumers away from going out and spending, and now you cry crocodile tears over small businesses who TOLD YOU last year that the best thing to do would be to pay people to stay home until the pandemic was over.
You obviously don't give a shit about small businesses...if you did, then you would have supported recurring monthly checks and pandemic-controlling lockdowns until we were through the crisis months ago.
But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you just had to downplay the virus, lie about miracle cures, and force workers into unsafe conditions. All for Donald fucking Trump.
Hope it was worth it.
They can open up if they want to...it's that consumers aren't going to spend their money in a place where they feel unsafe.
What is so hard for you morons to understand about that?
Exactly.
Small businesses told them LAST YEAR that the best thing to do would be to pay people to stay home until the pandemic was over.
It only needed to be like 6 weeks tops, and we could have gotten through this with no problem.
But Conservatives lied about COVID, lied about its seriousness, lied about miracle cures, lied about where the infected came from, lied, lied, lied...when if they had simply told the truth from day 1, they could have looked like heroes.
But pleasing Trump was more important for them.