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Reporters admit dismissing Wuhan lab leak theory in part because Republicans proposed
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Hold on. The origin is not known.
ExpressLane
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The evidence for lab origin is much more substantial than natural origin.
cancel2 2022
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Careful, he is "hypereducated"
Don't you mean hypoeducated?
Darth Omar
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Unless you’ve spent time working in healthcare or medicine your truth is reality as you perceive it.
Specifically known as a lay opinion.
Fuck you too.
Just look at what a disaster trusting the experts turned into....the West is fucking dying.
Darth Omar
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Dude, if you want to think your opinions are ‘truth’ it’s all good.
I dont need your permission DICK.
Darth Omar
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Berenson is calling this email a smoking gun but it reads as if the writer is still undecided but leaning heavily towards an engineered virus.
What’s interesting is that COVID19 appears to be nested in the phylogenetic tree more or less as one would expect but on closer inspection some of its genome ‘looks engineered’. Without getting too deep in the weeds that almost certainly refers to the part of the code that deals with the spike proteins.
And that ‘that part of the genome is inconsistent with evolutionary theory’. Are they talking about a double-mutation? IOW, it would take two [or more?] simultaneous mutations to form the spike and this is so improbable that it’s beyond the range of evolution?
If so, they just used science to come to an intelligent design conclusion. Or at least that conclusion is very much on the table. How ironic is that lol?
But this is interesting. I said on another thread it’s possible they could still get to the bottom of this even with the CCP refusal to open up their lab to investigators.
Ichabod Stain
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we were funding gain of function resesrch in china. that's a fact.
An example of the GoF work done at the WIV can be found in 2015, when researchers engineered a hybrid version of bat coronavirus and SARS that could infect humans. At the time, critics wondered whether or not the scientific benefits of learning more about the ways bat coronavirus could evolve were worth the risk of engineering a new, dangerous pathogen.
There is some, at the very least circumstantial, evidence that GoF research performed at the WIV may be connected to the novel coronavirus now responsible for killing millions across the world. Nicholson Baker’s New York Magazine report thrust the lab-leak hypothesis into the spotlight, but some researchers have been warning for months that COVID-19 may be the product of GoF work that escaped from a lab.
Karl and Dan Sirotkin had a paper published in Aug. 2020 titled “Might SARS‐CoV‐2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture.” The peer-reviewed paper breaks down a laundry list of data points that plausibly suggest the virus may have been a man-made result of serial passage GoF research.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/12/...virus-gain-of-function-research-lab-leak-nih/
Darth Omar
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A bunch of Fauci’s emails are out so things might get interesting.
Ichabod Stain
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7:15
Dr. Anthony Fauci insisted that no United States taxpayer funds went to bat coronavirus research at a lab in Wuhan, China, despite evidence that a U.S. government-funded grant went to a contractor that did partner with the lab on that research.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) grilled Fauci over the issue on Tuesday at a Senate hearing. He first noted that it is not yet known whether COVID-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan that was conducting gain of function research, or the modification of naturally occurring animal viruses for research purposes.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ds-went-to-bat-coronavirus-research-in-wuhan/
Paul said:
For years, Dr. Ralph Baric, a virologist in the U.S., has been collaborating with Dr. Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Virology Institute, sharing his discoveries about how to create super viruses. This gain of function research has been funded by the [National Institute of Health].
The collaboration between the U.S. and the Wuhan Virology Institute continues. Drs. Baric and Shi work together to insert bat virus spike protein into the backbone of the deadly SARS virus, and then use this man-made super virus to infect human airway cells. Think about that for a moment. The SARS virus had a 15 percent mortality. We’re fighting a pandemic that has about a 1 percent mortality. Can you imagine if a SARS virus that’s been juiced up and had viral proteins added to it to the spike protein, if that were released accidentally?
Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?
Fauci denied that the NIH has ever funded gain of function research at the lab or that Baric is doing gain of function research. However, he said if Baric is doing that research, it is being conducted in North Carolina and not in China.
Paul then asked Fauci if he still supported sending money to the Wuhan lab.
Fauci did not answer the question of whether he supported sending money, but responded, “We do not send money now to the Wuhan Virology Institute.”
Paul pressed further: “Do you support sending money? We did under your tutelage. We were sending it through Eco-Health. It was a sub agency and a sub grant. Do you support that the money from NIH that was going to the Wuhan Institute?”
Fauci again ignored the question and responded, “Let me explain to you why that was done. The SARS-CoV-1 originated in bats in China. It would have been irresponsible of us if we did not investigate the bat viruses and the serology to see who might have been infected in China.”
Paul continued:
Government defenders of gain of function such as yourself say that COVID-19 mutations were random and not designed by man. But interestingly, the technique that Dr. Baric developed forces mutations by serial passage through cell culture that they mutations appear to be natural. In fact, Dr. Baric name the technique the no-see-um technique because the mutations appear naturally.
Nicholas Baker of the New York Magazine said nobody would know if the virus had been fabricated in a laboratory are grown in nature. Government authorities in the U.S., including yourself, unequivocally deny that COVID-19 could have escaped a lab, but even Dr. Shi in Wuhan wasn’t so sure. According to Nicholas Baker, Dr. Shi wondered could this new virus have come from her own laboratory. She checked her records frantically and found no matches. That really took a load off my mind, she said. I had not slept for days.
The director of the gain of function research in Wuhan couldn’t sleep because she was terrified that it might be in her lab. Dr. Baric, an advocate of gain of function research, admits the main problem that the Institute of Virology has is the outbreak occurred in close proximity. What are the odds? Baric responded could you rule out a laboratory escape? The answer in this case is probably not.
Paul tried to press Fauci to say uncategorically that COVID-19 could not have occurred in a lab. Fauci responded:
I do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done, and I’m fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in China. However, I will repeat again the NIH and NIAID categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
As Breitbart News’s Matt Boyle has previously reported, the NIH awarded a taxpayer-funded grant to EcoHealth Alliance entitled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergency” and one of the sub-recipients of the grant funds was the Wuhan lab.
A letter from the NIH to EcoHealth Alliance, first reported by Breitbart News, stated (emphasis added):
It is our understanding that WIV studies the interaction between corona viruses and bats. The scientific community believes that the coronavirus causing COVID-19 jumped from bats to humans likely in Wuhan where the COVID-19 pandemic began. There are now allegations that the current crisis was precipitated by the release from WIV of the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19. Given these concerns, we are pursuing suspension of WIV from participation in Federal programs.
While we review these allegations during the period of suspension, you are instructed to cease providing any funds from the above noted grant to the WIV … This temporary action is authorized by 45 C.F.R. § 75.371 (d) (‘Initiate suspension or debarment proceedings as authorized under 2 C.F.R. part 180’). The incorporated OMB provision provides that the federal funding agency, through suspension, immediately and temporarily exclude from Federal programs persons who are not presently responsible where ‘immediate action is necessary to protect the public interest.’ 2 C.F.R. § 180.700 (c).
In addition, the Daily Mail reported: “The Chinese laboratory at the center of scrutiny over a potential coronavirus leak has been using U.S. government money to carry out research on bats from the caves which scientists believe are the original source of the deadly outbreak.” It added:
The Wuhan Institute of Virology undertook coronavirus experiments on mammals captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan which were funded by a $3.7 million grant from the US government. Sequencing of the COVID-19 genome has traced it back to bats found in Yunnan caves but it was first thought to have transferred to humans at an animal market in Wuhan. The revelation that the Wuhan Institute was experimenting on bats from the area already known to be the source of COVID-19 – and doing so with American money – has sparked further fears that the lab, and not the market, is the original outbreak source.
The grant that the Daily Mail story uncovered is a $3.7 million grant issued to EcoHealth Alliance Inc. via HHS, specifically from the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which is part of the NIH. Fauci, who has gained enormous fame during the coronavirus crisis at former President Donald Trump’s side, has been the director of NIAID since 1984.
Dr. Anthony Fauci insisted that no United States taxpayer funds went to bat coronavirus research at a lab in Wuhan, China, despite evidence that a U.S. government-funded grant went to a contractor that did partner with the lab on that research.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) grilled Fauci over the issue on Tuesday at a Senate hearing. He first noted that it is not yet known whether COVID-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan that was conducting gain of function research, or the modification of naturally occurring animal viruses for research purposes.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ds-went-to-bat-coronavirus-research-in-wuhan/
Paul said:
For years, Dr. Ralph Baric, a virologist in the U.S., has been collaborating with Dr. Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Virology Institute, sharing his discoveries about how to create super viruses. This gain of function research has been funded by the [National Institute of Health].
The collaboration between the U.S. and the Wuhan Virology Institute continues. Drs. Baric and Shi work together to insert bat virus spike protein into the backbone of the deadly SARS virus, and then use this man-made super virus to infect human airway cells. Think about that for a moment. The SARS virus had a 15 percent mortality. We’re fighting a pandemic that has about a 1 percent mortality. Can you imagine if a SARS virus that’s been juiced up and had viral proteins added to it to the spike protein, if that were released accidentally?
Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?
Fauci denied that the NIH has ever funded gain of function research at the lab or that Baric is doing gain of function research. However, he said if Baric is doing that research, it is being conducted in North Carolina and not in China.
Paul then asked Fauci if he still supported sending money to the Wuhan lab.
Fauci did not answer the question of whether he supported sending money, but responded, “We do not send money now to the Wuhan Virology Institute.”
Paul pressed further: “Do you support sending money? We did under your tutelage. We were sending it through Eco-Health. It was a sub agency and a sub grant. Do you support that the money from NIH that was going to the Wuhan Institute?”
Fauci again ignored the question and responded, “Let me explain to you why that was done. The SARS-CoV-1 originated in bats in China. It would have been irresponsible of us if we did not investigate the bat viruses and the serology to see who might have been infected in China.”
Paul continued:
Government defenders of gain of function such as yourself say that COVID-19 mutations were random and not designed by man. But interestingly, the technique that Dr. Baric developed forces mutations by serial passage through cell culture that they mutations appear to be natural. In fact, Dr. Baric name the technique the no-see-um technique because the mutations appear naturally.
Nicholas Baker of the New York Magazine said nobody would know if the virus had been fabricated in a laboratory are grown in nature. Government authorities in the U.S., including yourself, unequivocally deny that COVID-19 could have escaped a lab, but even Dr. Shi in Wuhan wasn’t so sure. According to Nicholas Baker, Dr. Shi wondered could this new virus have come from her own laboratory. She checked her records frantically and found no matches. That really took a load off my mind, she said. I had not slept for days.
The director of the gain of function research in Wuhan couldn’t sleep because she was terrified that it might be in her lab. Dr. Baric, an advocate of gain of function research, admits the main problem that the Institute of Virology has is the outbreak occurred in close proximity. What are the odds? Baric responded could you rule out a laboratory escape? The answer in this case is probably not.
Paul tried to press Fauci to say uncategorically that COVID-19 could not have occurred in a lab. Fauci responded:
I do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done, and I’m fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in China. However, I will repeat again the NIH and NIAID categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
As Breitbart News’s Matt Boyle has previously reported, the NIH awarded a taxpayer-funded grant to EcoHealth Alliance entitled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergency” and one of the sub-recipients of the grant funds was the Wuhan lab.
A letter from the NIH to EcoHealth Alliance, first reported by Breitbart News, stated (emphasis added):
It is our understanding that WIV studies the interaction between corona viruses and bats. The scientific community believes that the coronavirus causing COVID-19 jumped from bats to humans likely in Wuhan where the COVID-19 pandemic began. There are now allegations that the current crisis was precipitated by the release from WIV of the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19. Given these concerns, we are pursuing suspension of WIV from participation in Federal programs.
While we review these allegations during the period of suspension, you are instructed to cease providing any funds from the above noted grant to the WIV … This temporary action is authorized by 45 C.F.R. § 75.371 (d) (‘Initiate suspension or debarment proceedings as authorized under 2 C.F.R. part 180’). The incorporated OMB provision provides that the federal funding agency, through suspension, immediately and temporarily exclude from Federal programs persons who are not presently responsible where ‘immediate action is necessary to protect the public interest.’ 2 C.F.R. § 180.700 (c).
In addition, the Daily Mail reported: “The Chinese laboratory at the center of scrutiny over a potential coronavirus leak has been using U.S. government money to carry out research on bats from the caves which scientists believe are the original source of the deadly outbreak.” It added:
The Wuhan Institute of Virology undertook coronavirus experiments on mammals captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan which were funded by a $3.7 million grant from the US government. Sequencing of the COVID-19 genome has traced it back to bats found in Yunnan caves but it was first thought to have transferred to humans at an animal market in Wuhan. The revelation that the Wuhan Institute was experimenting on bats from the area already known to be the source of COVID-19 – and doing so with American money – has sparked further fears that the lab, and not the market, is the original outbreak source.
The grant that the Daily Mail story uncovered is a $3.7 million grant issued to EcoHealth Alliance Inc. via HHS, specifically from the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which is part of the NIH. Fauci, who has gained enormous fame during the coronavirus crisis at former President Donald Trump’s side, has been the director of NIAID since 1984.
Ichabod Stain
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fauci is an obvious liar.
Ichabod Stain
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this is what getting thrown under the bus, taking one for the team, cutting loose ends, and being hung out to dry looks like in nascent phases.
Dr. Perlman isn't a virologist and has no clue what kind of virus they started with. You are a fool. The fact that COVID has a furin and that is EXACT how Dr. Shi manipulated viruses in the past and the fact that no other SARS virus have furins should be all you need to know but you are a fool and seem incapable of even basic virology. Sorry you are beyond help.
"Dr. Stanley Perlman, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa who studies coronaviruses"
Fucking moron. What's your specialty? Pimple popper? Yeah, real tough to figure out who to believe. The self portrait is flattering.
If you say so.
It doesn't matter from where COVID came, what matters is that you and Trump lied about it for three months, turning outbreaks into a national pandemic.
If it had truly escaped a Chinese lab, would that have changed Trump downplaying it to prevent his dumb supporters from panicking? Of course not.
If it had truly escaped a Chinese lab, would that have changed Trump downplaying it to prevent his dumb supporters from panicking? Of course not.
AND A TRAITOR. HE HELPED THE CHINESE LIE TO THE WORLD.
Ichabod Stain
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he called it out and you all called him racist.
I remember Pelosi out on chinese new year saying it was nothing.
stop lying.
Ichabod Stain
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nope. as a critical mass of consciousness is reached, all this will change in an instant.
you'll see.
He wasn't called a racist because he suggested that it may have leaked from the lab. Stop lying.