Unvaccinated Causing New Surge in Daily Death Toll

Lionfish said:
Nurses that have worked for fully a year and a half dealing with the China virus on a daily basis decide they don't want to get the shot. They seem to know a hell of a lot more than you. Go to your room and stay there until you are called.
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No, they do not. The hospitals they work for say they are wrong. The medical system says they are wrong. This is not about personal rights. It is about a hospital acting responsibly and legally. The hospital staff that refuses to get the vaccine should be sent home. Lyingfish, perhaps they can stay with you.
 
Nordberg said:
No, they do not. The hospitals they work for say they are wrong. The medical system says they are wrong. This is not about personal rights. It is about a hospital acting responsibly and legally. The hospital staff that refuses to get the vaccine should be sent home. Lyingfish, perhaps they can stay with you.
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Biden said they are wrong and he pressured the private sector to do what he lacks the authority to do.

If there’s a scientific basis for forcing people who have natural immunity to be jabbed, let’s hear it.
 
Darth Omar said:
They don’t stop transmission.

The poliomyelitis vax came close enough to stopping transmission that it effectively eradicated Polio in this country. The ‘vaccines’ leak so much [enough that Fauci could wants boosters] that they are more accurately described as prophylactic treatments.
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Blocking transmission is why condoms are prophylactics.
 
Nordberg said:
No, they do not. The hospitals they work for say they are wrong. The medical system says they are wrong. This is not about personal rights. It is about a hospital acting responsibly and legally. The hospital staff that refuses to get the vaccine should be sent home. Lyingfish, perhaps they can stay with you.
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I would be glad to take in a few.

Make sure you stay double masked in your basement and remain far away from all other humans until you are told the China virus is over. Should be following the 2024 election.
 
Lionfish said:
I would be glad to take in a few.

Make sure you stay double masked in your basement and remain far away from all other humans until you are told the China virus is over. Should be following the 2024 election.
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There was already a nursing shortage and this will just exacerbate it.

Shame on the hospitals that are not standing up to it.
 
76% of Americans have at least 1 jab, and those with age/risk factors are even higher.

It aint the unvaxxed that's a threat, its the variant
 
Walt said:
The Delta Variant spreads better than the original, making it tougher to defeat. It really does exist. I do not know why alt right posters are denying its existence.
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Because they don't know what's true and what's not. They act as robot parrots for right wing media. They're mindless trolls and in the worst case, actually believe what they say.
 
Darth Omar said:
Delta is almost done virusing lol.

Who knows what’s next. I’d say no one knows.

But what’s going on here is the hesitants are being scapegoated for the failure of the vaccines *to effectively eliminate transmission* in *and from* the vaccinated population. It’s why no one talks about eradication any more—it’s off the table, because the vaccines function more like prophylactic treatments than vaccines.

Consequently, none of the public health ‘experts’ want to talk about herd immunity.
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One way or another and 7 ways from Sunday the delta variant has turned out to be more virulent AND infectious
That's unusual - virus get more infectious to continue to exist, but the immune system generally handles variants better then the alpha. The viral loading is much worse with delta as well

Obviously the vaxxes are really no more then prophylactic - they have their place but therapeutics and boosting your immune system are just as important
 
martin said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Wrong, as the information in my links demonstrate.

What gives? FACTS, my friend, FACTS. I've posted several "Covid Follies" threads with FACTS from the CDC, FDA, NIH themselves that STATE how the "vaccines" (experimental gene therapy, actually) do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity. It's not a question of working "all the time", but NOT working to what was initially touted. Hell, "break though" infections are increasing in people WHO INITIALLY DID NOT TEST POSITIVE, BUT GOT A SHOT AS A PRECAUTION. And for the love of God please stop denying the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test stated for posterity that it was NOT designed to detect infections in people.

Yes, I agree that neither side should try to make this "political"....but you and I both know that is impossible in the current social climate.

And once more, for the cheap seats...sadly, this is still relevant:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqQIY7J0fQ
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Are you ill?

The Hill article you linked states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and provides the following example of that rarity. "On Wednesday, Illinois reported 714 breakthrough hospitalizations and 180 deaths, representing 2.58 percent of COVID-19 deaths since data collection began in January."

If the CDC had been saying that the "'vaccines' do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity" instead of what they have been saying, that the vaccines do prevent infection and lessen severity, would millions of Americans have gotten the vaccine and millions more now be eager to get the booster? The CDC could not have been clearer in saying the vaccines work, and saying it repeatedly.

Would add that I don't need to "stop denying" (even for the love of God) "the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test...blah blah blah", since I've never mentioned the matter.
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Oh I'm quite fit, Marty. YOU, however, seem to be coming down with a case of willful ignorance that could develop into full blown stupidity.

Case in point, you isolate one paragraph from the Hill article, yet avoid/dismiss/non-comprehend others, like the following:

... Due to inconsistent tracking and underreported asymptomatic breakthroughs, health experts caution that the breakthrough data publicly available is likely incomplete.

... After the Boston Herald used a Freedom of Information Act request to report there had been 3,907 infections and 71 deaths in fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents, Sen. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) urged the CDC to monitor all of these cases. Previously, the Department of Public Health had disclosed data on breakthrough cases only once, in a memo on the state website.

... In a July 22 letter to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, Markey asked why the agency announced “that it would no longer require states to report information to the CDC on breakthrough cases that do not require hospitalization,” and asked which states are still collecting data on such cases.I]

the sheer convoluted "logic" of your second paragraph is a perfect example of the problem at hand...the CDC, NIH, FDA and the MSM along with involved pharma companies are doing a full court press of "selected" PR that avoids the little inconsistencies that gives one pause as to the validity of their claims...let alone the unbelievable gaul to make "all is well" statements when you have PROOF that their data is incomplete by non-compliance! But folk are scared, and they need something to give them a feeling of hope and security. Thus, we have folk like you suspending disbelief and parroting nonsense. And, let's not forget the hefty profit margins of all pharmaceutical companies involved, much less all those nice little speaking fees Fauci gets.

Oh, and I know you didn't mentioned Dr. Mullis....mindless parrots like you seldom do. It's like this, Marty: the PCR test and it's cousin the RT-PCR are not designed to detect viral infections in people....they never were. This is why you can go a quick google search and see all types of peer reviewed papers explaining how to compensate for false positives and negatives to arrive at the BEST ESTIMATE as to infection/non-infection. Remember, these tests are be the basis for determining infection rates, hospitalizations and "treatment". If they are inaccurate, then the entire system is out of whack. But don't take my word for it:


this is man who won the nobel peace prize for inventing the PCR test. Despite the time frame and disease, one could easily substitute Covid here and get the same result. Now, please don't be more foolish in trying to deny the importance of this, because I tire of humiliating wonks pushing questionable medical procedures.
So although one can try to take comfort in the low numbers on limited time samples, you have contradictions regarding rises in cases, inability to bet accurate readings from all 50 states, a CDC mandate that is tossing out a mandate that would increase accurate reporting,
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Oh I'm quite fit, Marty. YOU, however, seem to be coming down with a case of willful ignorance that could develop into full blown stupidity.

Case in point, you isolate one paragraph from the Hill article, yet avoid/dismiss/non-comprehend others, like the following:

... Due to inconsistent tracking and underreported asymptomatic breakthroughs, health experts caution that the breakthrough data publicly available is likely incomplete.

... After the Boston Herald used a Freedom of Information Act request to report there had been 3,907 infections and 71 deaths in fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents, Sen. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) urged the CDC to monitor all of these cases. Previously, the Department of Public Health had disclosed data on breakthrough cases only once, in a memo on the state website.

... In a July 22 letter to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, Markey asked why the agency announced “that it would no longer require states to report information to the CDC on breakthrough cases that do not require hospitalization,” and asked which states are still collecting data on such cases.I]

the sheer convoluted "logic" of your second paragraph is a perfect example of the problem at hand...the CDC, NIH, FDA and the MSM along with involved pharma companies are doing a full court press of "selected" PR that avoids the little inconsistencies that gives one pause as to the validity of their claims...let alone the unbelievable gaul to make "all is well" statements when you have PROOF that their data is incomplete by non-compliance! But folk are scared, and they need something to give them a feeling of hope and security. Thus, we have folk like you suspending disbelief and parroting nonsense. And, let's not forget the hefty profit margins of all pharmaceutical companies involved, much less all those nice little speaking fees Fauci gets.

Oh, and I know you didn't mentioned Dr. Mullis....mindless parrots like you seldom do. It's like this, Marty: the PCR test and it's cousin the RT-PCR are not designed to detect viral infections in people....they never were. This is why you can go a quick google search and see all types of peer reviewed papers explaining how to compensate for false positives and negatives to arrive at the BEST ESTIMATE as to infection/non-infection. Remember, these tests are be the basis for determining infection rates, hospitalizations and "treatment". If they are inaccurate, then the entire system is out of whack. But don't take my word for it:


this is man who won the nobel peace prize for inventing the PCR test. Despite the time frame and disease, one could easily substitute Covid here and get the same result. Now, please don't be more foolish in trying to deny the importance of this, because I tire of humiliating wonks pushing questionable medical procedures.
So although one can try to take comfort in the low numbers on limited time samples, you have contradictions regarding rises in cases, inability to bet accurate readings from all 50 states, a CDC mandate that is tossing out a mandate that would increase accurate reporting,
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The above reply is either intellectually dishonest or intellectually vacant. It's conspiratorially obsessive argument, full of certainty, is that breakthrough cases are so numerous as to render vaccines useless. For evidence it relies entirely on published statements from health departments that not all breakthrough cases are being individually reported. In other words, not evidence of numbers but suspicion about the reason for the absence of complete numbers and from that suspicion a fixed conclusion of bad faith and useless vaccine. This even though the reporting states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and gives a data precise example of this rarity.

A tactic like the OP's in a real debate would get you laughed off the stage but such is the fantasy land of True Believers.
 
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dukkha said:
One way or another and 7 ways from Sunday the delta variant has turned out to be more virulent AND infectious
That's unusual - virus get more infectious to continue to exist, but the immune system generally handles variants better then the alpha. The viral loading is much worse with delta as well

Obviously the vaxxes are really no more then prophylactic - they have their place but therapeutics and boosting your immune system are just as important
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Well, they have us locked into Max Vax—for better or worse.

In a more perfect world they would overhaul the public health bureaucracy starting with Fauci. They are no better than our foreign policy geniuses and top brass in the military. But there’s no accountability. If Fauci and the rest don’t own the COVID response after nearly two years into this, who does?

Trump did OWS and got the vax rolling but it seems like after that the innovative thinking ground to a halt. Now it’s masks, vax, masks, vax.

And good point with Delta. Though I think viruses tend toward less virulence over time but I don’t think it’s etched in stone. Lord willing, after Delta COVID will go back to playing by the rules.
 
martin said:
The above reply is either intellectually dishonest or intellectually vacant. It's conspiratorially obsessive argument, full of certainty, is that breakthrough cases are so numerous as to render vaccines useless. For evidence it relies entirely on published statements from health departments that not all breakthrough cases are being individually reported. In other words, not evidence of numbers but suspicion about the reason for the absence of complete numbers and from that suspicion a fixed conclusion of bad faith and useless vaccine. This even though the reporting states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and gives a data precise example of this rarity.

A tactic like the OP's in a real debate would get you laughed off the stage but such is the fantasy land of True Believers.
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Well, it’s mildly amusing you don’t think the numbers have been fiddled with given all ‘the interests’ involved with the virus lol.

COVID was being politicized before it escaped China—by the CCP: they tried to keep it under wraps for their own *political* considerations. The Lancet had to disband it’s COVID origin research team because one of its lead investigators had a conflict of interest with the researchers at the Wuhan virology lab. The left accuses DeSantis of fiddling with data almost biweekly.

Big Pharma [the people who own the opioid epidemic] clearly have an ‘interest the data’. It went down the memory hole but last summer the NYT reported that—in at least some instances, the PCR tests were being over-cycled and ringing up false positives up to 90% of the time. So there’s one plausible explanation to explain the absence of flu cases last year.

Covid data is sketchy top to bottom.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, it’s mildly amusing you don’t think the numbers have been fiddled with given all ‘the interests’ involved with the virus lol.

COVID was being politicized before it escaped China—by the CCP: they tried to keep it under wraps for their own *political* considerations. The Lancet had to disband it’s COVID origin research team because one of its lead investigators had a conflict of interest with the researchers at the Wuhan virology lab. The left accuses DeSantis of fiddling with data almost biweekly.

Big Pharma [the people who own the opioid epidemic] clearly have an ‘interest the data’. It went down the memory hole but last summer the NYT reported that—in at least some instances, the PCR tests were being over-cycled and ringing up false positives up to 90% of the time. So there’s one plausible explanation to explain the absence of flu cases last year.

Covid data is sketchy top to bottom.
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Didn't say the numbers "haven't been fiddled with". I don't have the means to know and neither, for your "amusement", do you, but I doubt they have been fiddled with to the extent of disproving the efficacy of the vaccine and I would be surprised if they have been fiddled with in any serious way at all. "All the interests involved" equals too many eyes on the collection and reporting of data for that to have a meaningful chance of happening. There is also more good will in the people involved than our unhappy conspiracy fanatics think possible. Anyway, suspecting the numbers aren't real isn't any kind of an argument.
 
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