Reality check on electric cars

[Into the Night]

ya i have a good buddy in Vancouver Canada, who has a set up like that. He has the Tesla battery wall in his garage and there roof top solar providing the power to it and each day that is how he charges his car.

That will require about a week and a half to three weeks to charge a Tesla vehicle that way in Vancouver, Canada.

He is typically selling his surplus power back into the city grid, reducing his over all electricity bill. He can also draw the power back out of the car, in a big emergency and use that along with what is in the batteries to power his home, if the grid is down.

The WRIC has never failed, Kewpie.

It did cost a lot to set up but he says it is not in 'pay back' phase and if and when he sells his home he can get most of the sunk cost back then as the continued pay down of utility costs over time are factored in, in the same a good roof or windows gets pay back.

The cost of a home battery ballasting system, associated solar panels, electrical modifications, and maintenance due to damage from wind, snow, hail, rain, critters, and even sunlight; means you will never get the money back that you put into it.

 

[Into the Night]

When I sold Fords in TX I remember the F-150 Lightning we claimed could power a home.

ChatGPT: the Ford F-150 Lightning can power a home, but there are some important limits and setup requirements.


The truck can supply up to 9.6 kW (9,600 watts) of power with the available Pro Power Onboard/Home Backup Power system.


For context:

• A typical U.S. home often uses:
  • 500–2,000 watts during light usage
  • 5,000–8,000 watts with major appliances running
• So the Lightning can usually handle:
  • Refrigerator
  • Lights
  • Internet/Wi-Fi
  • TVs/computers
  • Microwave
  • Furnace blower
  • Some well pumps or small AC units

Unit error. Energy use per hour is not measured in watts.

A Ford F150E is incapable of towing a medium load more than 60 miles.
You can use it to power a few items in your home for a short time. DO NOT CONNECT YOUR TRUCK TO POWER ANY CIRCUIT STILL CONNECTED TO THE POWER LINE!


Then you have a discharged truck, a dark home, and no way to charge it until the power comes back on. When it finally does, it takes hours to recharge the truck.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. Something that is dramatically increasing over time as would be expected.


That is simply not true. I know a lot of people who travel all over the US in their EV's doing extremely lengthy trips and who have no issues as long as they avoid the most remote areas of the country. If you are traveling along a big city path, you do not even have to think about it.

EVs are just not normally found cross country, Kewpie, except near cities. They are effectively an expensive commuter car.

Agreed on above. Hybrids are quite interesting during this 'gap' period as full EV's close those last gaps, but EV's currently are still often the best vehicles for the majority of city dwellers where 90% of their driving is Home/Work/Errands around town with the occasional 4-5 hour max weekend drive get away. And that is the vast majority of city drivers.

Like I said...an expensive commuter car.

Use the bus and/or the train. You are in the city.

 

[Into the Night]

Because Terry, prior to Tesla and for most of the early years of Tesla the technology and infrastructure were not there for EV's.

Luddite. You are stuck in 80's technology.

It was the same for ICE for over a 100 years against Horse and Buggy. Farmers and other could make fuel and even carry it around and yet the ICE vehicle made almost zero advancements against the Horse and Buggy which dominated the market until advances and infrastructure made the ICE vehicle cheaper, more accessible and convenient due to gas stations and roads advancements.

Lie. Gasoline cars have vastly improved, achieving 50% efficiency in some cases. The use of FADEC engines, level 3 driver assist modes becoming commonplace, ability to carry extra fuel, makes the internal combustion engine not only more efficient than the EV, but is capable of faster speeds and greater power. It is also lightweight. Modern materials make the engine much more reliable as well. The ICE is constantly being improved.

Even the fuel used has improved a lot. Refineries are capable of synthesizing and cutting hydrocarbon lengths virtually to any design desired.

The Tesla has not significantly changed since the 80's.

Just as ICE numbers went in a straight line up and to the right paralleling those advancements we now see the same exact up and to the right adoption of EV's world wide as their advancements are now finally happening.

And that is undeniable.

ICE vehicles are FAR more advanced and continue to improve. EVs are stuck in 1980's technology. EVs use about twice the energy per mile than a comparable sized ICE vehicle does.

 

[Into the Night]

For ICE, a crap ton of.

Through out history the Big 3 auto makers and oil and gas companies have been amongst the biggest subsidy and other government benefit and program recipients

ICE vehicles are not subsidized. Neither is the fuel. Neither are the fueling stations.

EVs are heavily subsidized, required by abusive laws, and their charging stations are also heavily subsidized.

 

[Lionfish]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ILX77pTrU

 

[gfm7175]

and what about gasoline? Does it avoid chemistry and chemical properties?

No.

 

[gfm7175]

I am not trying to get around the chemistry Terry.

Yes, you are.

It is fact, FACT that CURRENTLY EV's and ICE are getting similar range on one fill up or one charge.

No, it isn't. You need to stop falling for the "salesman's pitch".

It is fact, FACT, that CURRENTLY that fill up time for a gas tank and an EV charge are converging to near equal.

Minutes and hours are not "near equal", QP!, and neither is completely filled (gas tank) and partially filled (battery). You will never be able to fill up a battery at the same speed that you can fill up a gas tank. This gets back to that pesky "chemistry" thing that you're trying to get around.

It is fact, FACT, that EV's are improving in these two areas by leaps and bounds and ICE engines are not.

"EVs are improving! EVs are improving!" ..... "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

 

[QP!]

Yes, you are.

No, it isn't. You need to stop falling for the "salesman's pitch".

Minutes and hours are not "near equal", QP!, and neither is completely filled (gas tank) and partially filled (battery). You will never be able to fill up a battery at the same speed that you can fill up a gas tank. This gets back to that pesky "chemistry" thing that you're trying to get around.

"EVs are improving! EVs are improving!" ..... "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Ok then tell me what range ICE vehicles, on average get on a single tank of gas and I will do same on range for average EV in same class.

Let's see which of us is falling for talking points.

And the statement "you will never be able fill up a battery at the same speed as filling with gas ' is complete ignorance. You are doing the stupid thing Terry does and pretending you know the future and can make statements of fact about it when neither you or i do.

What we know for certain is that battery charge times keep making MASSIVE improvements as new technologies improve the process and we are early in that cycle with tons of VC betting it will keep getting better and faster.

You cannot declare they will not succeed as if you know the future

 

[gfm7175]

Ok then tell me what range ICE vehicles, on average get on a single tank of gas and I will do same on range for average EV in same class.

Let's see which of us is falling for talking points.

There's nothing "to see", as it's already been you.

And the statement "you will never be able fill up a battery at the same speed as filling with gas ' is complete ignorance.

No, it is chemistry.

You are doing the stupid thing Terry does and pretending you know the future and can make statements of fact about it when neither you or i do.

It's not about "the future", it's about chemistry. Unless chemistry changes........

What we know for certain

"What we know..."

@IBDaMann REALLY loves it whenever leftists make use of this particular phrase.

is that battery charge times keep making MASSIVE improvements as new technologies improve the process and we are early in that cycle with tons of VC betting it will keep getting better and faster.

You cannot declare they will not succeed as if you know the future

"massive improvements" ... "new technologies" ... "improve the process" ... "it will keep getting better and faster" ...

... "12 years until tipping point" ...

 

[QP!]

There's nothing "to see", as it's already been you.

No, it is chemistry.

It's not about "the future", it's about chemistry. Unless chemistry changes........

"What we know..."

@IBDaMann REALLY loves it whenever leftists make use of this particular phrase.

"massive improvements" ... "new technologies" ... "improve the process" ... "it will keep getting better and faster" ...

... "12 years until tipping point" ...

The difference between you and I is you make statements as if fact you refuse to back up while I back mine up.

So while you can deny the massive improvements we have CONSISTENTLY seen in battery tech since Tesla launch i will continue to post videos like i did above demonstrating the technology improvements and how battery tech is ALEEADY get close to ICE fill up times.

VIDEO Clfiffs:
- 6 minutes for charges from 10% - 90%
- weight of batteries being dramatically reduced
- with reduced weight, range is greatly increasing and flying cars become a more real option
- batteries now are over coming issues with losing charge at deep cold temperatures (-50c)

 

[QP!]

Since Tesla launched the Roadster in 2008, battery recharge times have dropped from over 12 hours for a full charge to under 15 minutes for 10%–80% replenishment in many modern EVs.

This improvement is driven by a combination of higher-voltage charging infrastructure, advanced battery chemistries (like Silicon anodes and LFP), and superior thermal management systems.As of 2026, research and development from firms like CATL are promising even faster speeds, nearing 6 minutes for a full charge.

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