Abortion Question.

Truth Detector said:
That isn't how the REAL world works.

You didn't answer my question; if a man punches a pregnant woman hard in the stomach causing her unborn child to die, can he be charged with murder? If so, how is the abortion on demand argument even relevant?

Let's take your point further; why should we have laws against cocaine? Or Meth? After all, it's their body right? :palm:
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TD: "if a man punches a pregnant woman hard in the stomach causing her unborn child to die, can he be charged with murder?"
Jack: The assumption is that the woman wants the unborn child.

TD: "If so, how is the abortion on demand argument even relevant?"
Jack: The assumption is the woman DOESN'T want the unborn child.

TD: "Let's take your point further; why should we have laws against cocaine? Or Meth? After all, it's their body right? "
Jack: Agree. Drug laws should be eliminated.
 
AProudLefty said:
The Party of the Jackass and the Party of Fascists are going apeshit over it. Why? I can surmise about the GOP but as to the DNC, no clue why.
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Because they believe it is a winning political issue that will get them votes. Because they believe their constituents are idiots and don't realize they are murdering their own. :palm:

AProudLefty said:
So regardless of what the SCOTUS decision is, it changes nothing. It's just a political posturing by two parties. That's all.
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Wrong; it has been the most divisive issue in our society since the erroneous decision in 1973. Putting the issue back into the States will remove this massive wedge issue and go a long way to restoring civility.

AProudLefty said:
Pretty odd for a woman to wait until after 25 weeks then decides to have an abortion and have the stretch marks to show for it. ::
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Odder still that women act like they don't know how to prevent pregnancy with all the easy access to preventative measures today. The easiest way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is to just not have unsafe sex. But to Democrats, apparently, this is ROCKET SCIENCE!

Let's never forget, Planned Parenthood birthed in eugenic racism. The VAST majority of abortions are in the black and Hispanic communities.
 
Jack said:
TD: "if a man punches a pregnant woman hard in the stomach causing her unborn child to die, can he be charged with murder?"
Jack: The assumption is that the woman wants the unborn child.
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If she is pregnant, that is the correct assumption dumbass. :palm:

Jack said:
TD: "If so, how is the abortion on demand argument even relevant?"
Jack: The assumption is the woman DOESN'T want the unborn child.
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The law doesn't rely on assumption dumbass. :palm:

Jack said:
TD: "Let's take your point further; why should we have laws against cocaine? Or Meth? After all, it's their body right? "
Jack: Agree. Drug laws should be eliminated.
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So drugs do not cause societal harm and decline? You're much dumber than I thought. :palm:
 
Truth Detector said:
Because they believe it is a winning political issue that will get them votes :palm:
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Exactly. Both parties want to win votes. Where have you been?

Wrong; it has been the most divisive issue in our society since the erroneous decision in 1973.
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The only people who have been making it divisive are the pro-lifers, especially the fundies.

Odder still that women act like they don't know how to prevent pregnancy with all the easy access to preventative measures today. The easiest way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is to just not have unsafe sex.
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I told you that I agree with you on that.

Let's never forget, Planned Parenthood birthed in eugenic racism. The VAST majority of abortions are in the black and Hispanic communities.
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Appealing to the past is a fallacy.
 
Jackoff said:
Is that what you call Individual Freedom and Liberty?
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Is this what you call individual freedom and liberty?

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Eagle_Eye said:
What amazes me is people go bat shit crazy over abortion. As you know I'm against abortion being used as as a birth control measure. But I do understand a fetus does not become a person until a certain point in gestation. Who better to decide when a fetus becomes a person than a doctor?
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Yes.

The doctor, and the person carrying the fetus. Not politicians, not priests, not your nosey ass next-door neighbor.
 
AProudLefty said:
I have no idea why all the angst about it. As I have stated many times, it changes nothing as most abortions are done within 15 weeks anyway.
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Many of them are done with prescription meds now; no need to go through a crowd of screaming busybody religionists outside the clinic.
 
Jack said:
Einstein. What's wrong with letting the woman make the Decision?
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She does Einstein within the law. The question is who should decide the latest ethical date to abort, a doctor or a politician. Sorry Jack your mother fucked up the paperwork authorzing your abortion. Or we wouldn't have your bull shit.
 
Leprous Lesion said:
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Economics. Which groups tend to have more poverty and less access to health care, including contraceptives?

It's going to be ironic when the fundies in 20 years or so discover that suddenly the birth rate for POC has increased, and they are outnumbered and outvoted.

I should live so long to see it. :laugh:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Economics. Which groups tend to have more poverty and less access to health care, including contraceptives?

It's going to be ironic when the fundies in 20 years or so discover that suddenly the birth rate for POC has increased, and they are outnumbered and outvoted.

I should live so long to see it. :laugh:
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Bob Dole did.
 
AProudLefty said:
The Party of the Jackass and the Party of Fascists are going apeshit over it. Why? I can surmise about the GOP but as to the DNC, no clue why.

So regardless of what the SCOTUS decision is, it changes nothing. It's just a political posturing by two parties. That's all.

Pretty odd for a woman to wait until after 25 weeks then decides to have an abortion and have the stretch marks to show for it. :laugh:
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Heavy women sometimes don't even realize. Other times they know they are pregnant but can't get time off work, or something else happens like job loss, homelessness, etc. Or health problems. You are right though -- almost all ABs happen in the first 10-12 weeks.

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Stats from: https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Row V Wade has been the law for nearly 50 years. Medical science has made tremendous advances in medicine in that time.

Abortion becomes a moral and legal issue when a fetus reaches a certain stage, per the laws enacted by politicians.

Instead of politicians deciding when a woman can or cannot have an abortion, how about letting the medical community decide at which point an abortion is manslaughter? Take the politics out of the formula. Let the decision be between a woman and her doctor based on AMA rulings.
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because they profit from it
 
Celticguy said:
because they profit from it
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Pfft. They also "profit" from any other health care that is provided. But even so, physicians and clinics don't "profit" from reproductive health care and abortions as much as the QOP has profited from their forced-birth schtick.
 
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