Abrego Garcia is still out on the streets.

[QP!]

He could be in Costa Rica right now, but the PP decided to play games.

Yup.

The Trumps DoJ both says this guy is a massively dangerous criminal who is a danger to citizens but also says 'we will fight to keep him here, even if he is free and on the streets unless we get our way on where we can send him'.

If Albrego was who they said he was and he committed crimes on US citizens while on this release that would be all on Trump and his DoJ who could have just let him leave. they made a choice to put their desire to dictate 'where he goes' over just 'getting him out of the country', by letting him leave to where he wants.

of course Terry would blame the Judge and not Trump DoJ if that happened but Trump's DoJ is acting like an angry toddler not getting their way saying 'fine, we will keep him here forever and free unless we get our way'.

 

[Jake Starkey]

This is due to inept and dictatorial judges, not the Trump administration. We need to put a much tighter leash on the courts.

Naw, all the Pres's people is to follow the law and regs, not evade or ignore them.

 

[Nordberg]

If he were a criminal, they could charge him and put him on trial. They have not because they have nothing. This is all show. Who could argue if he was found guilty of crimes and deported?

 

[Jake Starkey]

If he were a criminal, they could charge him and put him on trial. They have not because they have nothing. This is all show. Who could argue if he was found guilty of crimes and deported?

He has not been convicted in the Smith cases because Trump lawfared his way out of them.

 

[Jarod]

He has not been convicted in the Smith cases because Trump lawfared his way out of them.

They never had any evidence of him being in a gang or committing any crimes they told the judge about.

 

[QP!]

If he were a criminal, they could charge him and put him on trial. They have not because they have nothing. This is all show. Who could argue if he was found guilty of crimes and deported?

Yup.

They talked about how obviously guilty and dangerous he was. @T. A. Gardner was one of the strongest here proclaiming it and yet they have nothing they an even begin a court case with. ZERO. And they are not even trying.

Instead they let him walk the streets for months on end when he has volunteered to be gone as they KNOW he was never a risk to others. If they thought him a risk, they would get him by any method including letting him voluntarily leave to Costa Rica otherwise they would own any bad things he did in America.

 

[Jake Starkey]

They never had any evidence of him being in a gang or committing any crimes they told the judge about.

Of course, they did, bigly.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yup.

They talked about how obviously guilty and dangerous he was. @T. A. Gardner was one of the strongest here proclaiming it and yet they have nothing they an even begin a court case with. ZERO. And they are not even trying.

Instead they let him walk the streets for months on end when he has volunteered to be gone as they KNOW he was never a risk to others. If they thought him a risk, they would get him by any method including letting him voluntarily leave to Costa Rica otherwise they would own any bad things he did in America.

I don't care if he wasn't "dangerous." He was, and is, in the US illegally. He has been found "guilty" of that. The only argument is about where to deport him. I personally am fine with forcing him to return to his country of origin, El Salvador. If that means he goes straight to CECOT, that's his problem. There is ZERO reason for him to get asylum. Nada, none, zip point shit. Deport the fucker already!

 

[QP!]

I don't care if he wasn't "dangerous." He was, and is, in the US illegally. He has been found "guilty" of that. The only argument is about where to deport him. I personally am fine with forcing him to return to his country of origin, El Salvador. If that means he goes straight to CECOT, that's his problem. There is ZERO reason for him to get asylum. Nada, none, zip point shit. Deport the fucker already!

You cared until you realized you were wrong and then suddenly you did not, in normal magat rationalization fashion.

Prior you argued he was clearly dangerous and MS16 and that is why the Trump administration should be able to deport him without courts addressing it.

You now have to accept your lies are exposed and there is no evidence of that so suddenly you do not care about that.

Prior courts have found be would face credible threat if sent back to El Salvador which is why the Trump administration cannot just send him there.

So tell me why they would take a stand that either they get to send him to some corrupt war torn African country or they will keep him as a free man in America instead of blocking him self deporting to Costa Rica who will take him?

What does the US gain with him stranded in Africa, where he does not speak the language, will have no money, and no ID that they would not gain with him being in Costa Rica other than feeding the magats constant need to feed their hate of others?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You cared until you realized you were wrong and then suddenly you did not, in normal magat rationalization fashion.

Prior you argued he was clearly dangerous and MS16 and that is why the Trump administration should be able to deport him without courts addressing it.

You now have to accept your lies are exposed and there is no evidence of that so suddenly you do not care about that.

Prior courts have found be would face credible threat if sent back to El Salvador which is why the Trump administration cannot just send him there.

So tell me why they would take a stand that either they get to send him to some corrupt war torn African country or they will keep him as a free man in America instead of blocking him self deporting to Costa Rica who will take him?

What does the US gain with him stranded in Africa, where he does not speak the language, will have no money, and no ID that they would not gain with him being in Costa Rica other than feeding the magats constant need to feed their hate of others?

All deflection. Garcia was and is in the US illegally. He had a final order of deportation against him. The ONLY question on the table is where he should be deported to. He claims--wrongly--that he shouldn't go back to El Salvador because he'd be tossed in CECOT prison as that country's government thinks he's a member of MS 13 a violent criminal organization that is outlawed there. That's it.

Then some Trump hating, illegal loving, judges in the US got wrongly involved in this shit and are making that deportation difficult to accomplish. So, the US government is trying to find an alternative country to send him to to placate those asshole judges.

That's the gist of it.

Deport the asshole to El Salvador and tell those fucked up judges to go pound sand.

 

[QP!]

All deflection. Garcia was and is in the US illegally. He had a final order of deportation against him. The ONLY question on the table is where he should be deported to. He claims--wrongly--that he shouldn't go back to El Salvador because he'd be tossed in CECOT prison as that country's government thinks he's a member of MS 13 a violent criminal organization that is outlawed there. That's it.

Then some Trump hating, illegal loving, judges in the US got wrongly involved in this shit and are making that deportation difficult to accomplish. So, the US government is trying to find an alternative country to send him to to placate those asshole judges.

That's the gist of it.

Deport the asshole to El Salvador and tell those fucked up judges to go pound sand.

Again so your point boils down to keep him a free man in the US forever if the Courts disagree and rule he faces risk and cannot be deported to El Salvador.

Like a child you stamp your feet and say he stays then forever if we cannot get our way as judges have no right to make such rulings.

Why Terry are you against just letting him leave voluntarily to costa Rica and instead say 'no, then he stays a free man in America"?

What do you or magat America suffer if he leaves to costa Rica other than your hate of others does not get fed?

 

[Jake Starkey]

All deflection. Garcia was and is in the US illegally. He had a final order of deportation against him. The ONLY question on the table is where he should be deported to. He claims--wrongly--that he shouldn't go back to El Salvador because he'd be tossed in CECOT prison as that country's government thinks he's a member of MS 13 a violent criminal organization that is outlawed there. That's it.

Then some Trump hating, illegal loving, judges in the US got wrongly involved in this shit and are making that deportation difficult to accomplish. So, the US government is trying to find an alternative country to send him to to placate those asshole judges.

That's the gist of it.

Deport the asshole to El Salvador and tell those fucked up judges to go pound sand.

T. A. you shifting paths reflects the weakness of your argumentative skills and position.

The courts' decisions count, and your disagreement is merely opinion without merit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Again so your point boils down to keep him a free man in the US forever if the Courts disagree and rule he faces risk and cannot be deported to El Salvador.

No, my point is he should be deported... PERIOD! He should not be allowed to stay in the US. He should not be allowed to be free in the US. He is a criminal illegal

Like a child you stamp your feet and say he stays then forever if we cannot get our way as judges have no right to make such rulings.

No, I'm complaining that judges are clearly overstepping their boundaries, ruling outside of the law, and meddling in politics.

Why Terry are you against just letting him leave voluntarily to costa Rica and instead say 'no, then he stays a free man in America"?

I'm not. Send him there if they'll take him.

What do you or magat America suffer if he leaves to costa Rica other than your hate of others does not get fed?

I don't. It is insufferable that he remains in the US and is allowed to roam free. It is a slight to our immigration laws.

 

[QP!]

No, my point is he should be deported... PERIOD! He should not be allowed to stay in the US. He should not be allowed to be free in the US. He is a criminal illegal


No, I'm complaining that judges are clearly overstepping their boundaries, ruling outside of the law, and meddling in politics.


I'm not. Send him there if they'll take him.


I don't. It is insufferable that he remains in the US and is allowed to roam free. It is a slight to our immigration laws.

No one cares at the magats ranting courts have no right to rule against Trump and every such ruling is judicial activism. You say that about each and every ruling like a cartoon character denying Courts even have any role other than agreeing.

This is not a complex issue.

- person or family comes to America illegally fleeing danger by their claim
- Courts examine claim and rule it has enough merit to not allow them to be deported back to that same country
- Courts also rule they can be deported elsewhere or can self deport

That person or family then saying 'we will self deported to country XYZ' should be enough and the end of the story with them gone.

 

[QP!]

But as a magat, Terry says 'no keep that person or family here indefinitely if we cannot send them back to the country they were in danger in.'

And despite Terry being wrong about every detail of this case prior he insists he is right now and the judge is wrong and will accept nothing but el Salvador.

Why? What does Terry gain by him going to El Salvador and not costa Rica? If Terry is right and the guy faces no danger Terry gained nothing. America gained nothing. But if Terry is wrong and he is in danger that feeds his hate.

 

[QP!]

No, my point is he should be deported...

I'm not. Send him there if they'll take him.


I don't. It is insufferable that he remains in the US and is allowed to roam free. It is a slight to our immigration laws.

Then blame Trump and his DoJ who will not allow him to leave and have kept him here and free for months as they pursue 'war torn African country' for deportation or 'leave him a free man in the American streets', strategy.

Show some of the same fervor and hate for them that you do for the courts.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No one cares at the magats ranting courts have no right to rule against Trump and every such ruling is judicial activism. You say that about each and every ruling like a cartoon character denying Courts even have any role other than agreeing.

This is not a complex issue.

- person or family comes to America illegally fleeing danger by their claim

If that "danger" is crime or poverty, you shouldn't get asylum. Those are local problems. Go home and solve them. Different story if you are a particular ethnicity and your government is killing all you. That deserves an asylum hearing.

- Courts examine claim and rule it has enough merit to not allow them to be deported back to that same country

Garcia had a final order of deportation. Only AFTER he was to be deported did he try and claim asylum. Too late, too bad, you get deported.

- Courts also rule they can be deported elsewhere or can self deport

They can try. They have NO, ZERO, say outside of the law as written in determining that. It isn't their purview to determine what the deportation laws are, only that they follow US law and the Constitution.

That person or family then saying 'we will self deported to country XYZ' should be enough and the end of the story with them gone.

If they do that prior to a final order of deportation and they've been fighting the process in court. It should not be they get their day in court, lose, then decide there's a better outcome they could have taken earlier but bet on not needing so they didn't do it. That would be like asking the croupier at a craps table for a "do over" after you rolled the dice.

 

[QP!]

If that "danger" is crime or poverty, you shouldn't get asylum. Those are local problems. Go home and solve them. Different story if you are a particular ethnicity and your government is killing all you. That deserves an asylum hearing.


Garcia had a final order of deportation. Only AFTER he was to be deported did he try and claim asylum. Too late, too bad, you get deported.


They can try. They have NO, ZERO, say outside of the law as written in determining that. It isn't their purview to determine what the deportation laws are, only that they follow US law and the Constitution.

If they do that prior to a final order of deportation and they've been fighting the process in court. It should not be they get their day in court, lose, then decide there's a better outcome they could have taken earlier but bet on not needing so they didn't do it. That would be like asking the croupier at a craps table for a "do over" after you rolled the dice.

no one cares about Magat rantings Terry and that you think the process should be different than it is.

The court process that was followed IS THE CORRECT process and you saying 'if they rule a way we do not like it is wrong and invalid' is just the rantings of a magat idiot.

That is the way the system is designed to work and if a judge makes a ruling that you do not like then there are MULTPLE avenues of appeal. If it turns out the judges ruling was incorrect, it will be reversed but that DOES NOT mean he was wrong to intervene in the way he did. He is allowed to be wrong as that is part of the system and why appeals exist.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

no one cares about Magat rantings Terry and that you think the process should be different than it is.

YOU don't care. Don't foist your opinion off as if it's everyone's.

The court process that was followed IS THE CORRECT process and you saying 'if they rule a way we do not like it is wrong and invalid' is just the rantings of a magat idiot.

That is the way the system is designed to work and if a judge makes a ruling that you do not like then there are MULTPLE avenues of appeal. If it turns out the judges ruling was incorrect, it will be reversed but that DOES NOT mean he was wrong to intervene in the way he did. He is allowed to be wrong as that is part of the system and why appeals exist.

No, the process is being abused and abused badly. There is ZERO reason for Garcia to still be in the US. He was and is deportable. Deport him. It's that simple. He has no genuine claim to asylum or some other process. He's used up his appeals. Deport him. The ONLY reason he isn't already gone is that several federal judges who HATE Trump, with a capital hate, are abusing federal law to keep him here as a political tool for their own benefit.

 

[QP!]

YOU don't care. Don't foist your opinion off as if it's everyone's.


No, the process is being abused and abused badly. There is ZERO reason for Garcia to still be in the US. He was and is deportable. Deport him. It's that simple. He has no genuine claim to asylum or some other process. He's used up his appeals. Deport him. The ONLY reason he isn't already gone is that several federal judges who HATE Trump, with a capital hate, are abusing federal law to keep him here as a political tool for their own benefit.

Not caring is a statement and not an opinion.

It is FACT that the court process that was followed is as the system is DESIGNED PURPOSELY so Judges can have a say and make rulings (right or wrong) in this process.

This case followed the system EXACTLY as it was meant to be and if the judge ruled what you wanted you would applaud him but as a magat when they rule against you cry and act like they violated the system when THEY DID NOT.

You label any ruling against the outcome you want abuse and i can probably find at least 3 other active rulings against Trump where you cry the same thing of 'activist judges who should not be ruling' when the FACT IS they absolutely should be ruling regardless of whether you or I hate the outcome.

That is what a system provides. And again why there is a multi level appeal process to prove this judges ruling as the incorrect interpretation, if it is.

What that does not mean is the judge was wrong to make it. If a case is brought to them, as this was, the judge must hear both sides and read the statutes and do their best to interpret the law. Most times they get it correct but sometimes they get it wrong and the appellate court reverses and that is EXACTLY how the system is supposed to work. They are NOT activist judges simply because Terry disagrees, even if an appellate court was to reverse the judge as getting it occasionally wrong is part of the process too which is why the appellate process exists.