Into the Night
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Go read the Bible for your answer.
The Bible is not a fairytale. There are no fairies in the Bible.
Archaeology of the New Testament
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Into the Night
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Lie. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!
Buzzword fallacies (ignorant, Zionist, mass murder, demon).
Into the Night
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Inversion fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.
For thousands of years people have been using stories, myths, poetry, parables, allegory, metaphor, narrative fiction, songs, and art to convey certain fundamental truths about the human experience.
Very little of the existential truths you have learned in life came from reading historical biography.
If you know it's just a metaphorical story about liberation, faith, and covenant, why are you pretending to be morally outraged?
ZenMode
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If it's just a story, as you are implying, why would the loving and gracious God/father allow such slanderous claims be written about him if he didn't support those claims?
Let me guess, it's because God gave man free will and that allowed them to write whatever they wanted to about him. Well, Pharaoh has free will also. Why did God intervene in his free will? Let me guess, it's because the Jews are God's chosen people, right?. Okay. Were the Jews not God's chosen people when Hitler was slaughtering them by a millions? Did Hitler not have free will? Where are the Jews not God's chosen people in the mid 20th century?
Into the Night
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So?
Into the Night
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The Bible isn't slander. Go learn what slander is.
He did.
That is also true.
He did.
He didn't.
No, but the Jews ARE God's chosen people. It was among the Jews that Jesus Christ was born into.
All over the world.
He did. So did the Jews he slaughtered. Those Jews chose to keep their faith in God, and Hitler couldn't take that away.
2026 is not 0AD.
IBDaMann
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"Biochemistry" isn't what you think it is. You're thinking of organic chemistry.
I don't think a story about leading captive people out of slavery is a monstrous crime. Black American slaves looked at the story of Exodus as a story of liberation and salvation.
The Egyptians were judged for killing the first born of the Israelites, and for repeatedly defying Yahweh's escalating commands to free their slaves.
Under standard Christian theology, innocent children are not judged, and all of them are given grace, salvation, and eternal life. That would include Egyptian children.
As a moral relativist, you have no intellectual or philosophical standard to be morally outraged about Hitler. If we are nothing but material collections of quarks and electrons, there is no such thing as evil, or absolute right and wrong.
Hitler had free will.
If humans are free, that means they have the freedom to be evil.
ZenMode
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When will Christians judge God for the 10th plague - killing all the first born?
Does that make God murdering them ok or remotely moral?
Deflection.
Why didn't God intervene on behalf of the Jews under Hitler like he did the Jews under Pharoah, since everyone involved had free will?
Ichabod Stain
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yeah.
nobody thinks their Passover wine is jesus blood.
nobody thinks communion is Passover.
nobody thinks their Passover wine is jesus blood.
nobody thinks communion is Passover.
Ichabod Stain
Was it me?
sum of the law = sum of the law.
Most of Exodus is undoubtedly folklore and mythology which grew out of an ancient oral tradition.
On the other hand, I don't think the lack of archeological evidence is strong enough to rule out that there were Israelites in Egypt during the New Kingdom era.
Exodus places the ancient Israelites in the Delta region of Egypt. The Delta is notoriously difficult to do any archeology in because the water table is near the land surface, and soil conditions are wet. Any kind of excavation is extremely problematic.
Egyptians had a different conception of history than we do. They only recorded victories and triumphs. They wouldn't have written about anything embarrassing, and they wouldn't have wasted time and resources writing about slaves.
What is clear from Exodus is that the Israelites had very specific knowledge of Egyptian geography and Egyptian cultural practices; knowledge they probably shouldn't have had if the Torah was just edited and compiled while they were in in Babylonia during the exile.
Exodus correctly identifies a number of Egyptian towns.
Exodus correctly mentions that Egyptians mixed straw with mud to make bricks, a practice not used in Canaan.
The name Moses itself is a purely Egyptian name, it's not a name that would have originated with Semitic people of Canaan and the Levant.
There is probably a kernel of truth about a group of Israelites in Egypt at the time of Ramses II, and the literary figure of Moses might be loosely based on their leader.
On the other hand, I don't think the lack of archeological evidence is strong enough to rule out that there were Israelites in Egypt during the New Kingdom era.
Exodus places the ancient Israelites in the Delta region of Egypt. The Delta is notoriously difficult to do any archeology in because the water table is near the land surface, and soil conditions are wet. Any kind of excavation is extremely problematic.
Egyptians had a different conception of history than we do. They only recorded victories and triumphs. They wouldn't have written about anything embarrassing, and they wouldn't have wasted time and resources writing about slaves.
What is clear from Exodus is that the Israelites had very specific knowledge of Egyptian geography and Egyptian cultural practices; knowledge they probably shouldn't have had if the Torah was just edited and compiled while they were in in Babylonia during the exile.
Exodus correctly identifies a number of Egyptian towns.
Exodus correctly mentions that Egyptians mixed straw with mud to make bricks, a practice not used in Canaan.
The name Moses itself is a purely Egyptian name, it's not a name that would have originated with Semitic people of Canaan and the Levant.
There is probably a kernel of truth about a group of Israelites in Egypt at the time of Ramses II, and the literary figure of Moses might be loosely based on their leader.
It didn't happen, even though you desperately wanted it to happen. It's just a story.
Are you willing to say black American slaves were foolish and deluded for thinking Exodus was an uplifting story about salvation and liberation?
Nobody knows. But the question is, would the State of Israel even exist without the events of WW2? I don't think so. And are you are you absolutely sure to the point of staking your life on it that the ultimate victory of good over evil in 1945 had no providential influence?
The Exodus story's main point is don't fuck with the Angel of Death is he won't Passover you at the Harvest the Last Passover!
That view kind of hits the skids ,when Elijah (Malachi 4:5-6) shows up!
And he turns out to be The Passover Angel that killed the First Born at the First Passover,and now is here to be the Reaper of the Last Passover! The Harvest!
Revelation 12:2 "Birth Pains before the birth"
Holocaust before the birth of Israel!
If you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and Salvation through the Blood of the Cross! Reading the Bible is A complete waste of time!
ZenMode
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You believe it's just a story. Many Christians/Jews believe it's a historical event. Why is that story just a story, but Jesus coming back from the dead is a historical event?
Why would God allow such claims to be made about him in a book that is supposed to exemplify morality?
Irrelevant.
Right. The list of things that don't make sense and that "nobody knows" why God would do it or allow it to happen, is long. It's almost like things just happen, free from any divine intervention, and people arbitrarily attribute divine intervention onto those events.
Irrelevant.