Are all Republicans fascists?

AssHatZombie said:
I'm sorry, "willing to use violence" just isn't what fascism means.
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When Mussolini stepped into power, fascism had none of the superior-race, blood-and-soil trappings that came to Germany with Hitlerism. All the other elements of fascism were there, however: belief in violence, disbelief in legal processes, rabid nationalism, and so on. But the regime was not totalitarian in its first three years. Opposition parties were still legal, a strong opposition press operated under difficulties, and Mussolini kept talking about a return to normalcy.

https://www.historians.org/about-ah...-of-italy-(1945)/the-rise-and-fall-of-fascism
 
BidenPresident said:
When Mussolini stepped into power, fascism had none of the superior-race, blood-and-soil trappings that came to Germany with Hitlerism. All the other elements of fascism were there, however: belief in violence, disbelief in legal processes, rabid nationalism, and so on. But the regime was not totalitarian in its first three years. Opposition parties were still legal, a strong opposition press operated under difficulties, and Mussolini kept talking about a return to normalcy.

https://www.historians.org/about-ah...-of-italy-(1945)/the-rise-and-fall-of-fascism
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Right, Mussolini even argued against Hitler against notions of superior or pure races.
 
BidenPresident said:
When Mussolini stepped into power, fascism had none of the superior-race, blood-and-soil trappings that came to Germany with Hitlerism. All the other elements of fascism were there, however: belief in violence, disbelief in legal processes, rabid nationalism, and so on. But the regime was not totalitarian in its first three years. Opposition parties were still legal, a strong opposition press operated under difficulties, and Mussolini kept talking about a return to normalcy.

https://www.historians.org/about-ah...-of-italy-(1945)/the-rise-and-fall-of-fascism
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fascism doesn't necessarily have to be wrapped up with racism.

this is why racist and fascist are two different words.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I'm sorry, "willing to use violence" just isn't what fascism means.
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Benito Mussolini, an Italian World War I veteran and publisher of Socialist newspapers, breaks with the Italian Socialists and establishes the nationalist Fasci di Combattimento, named after the Italian peasant revolutionaries, or “Fighting Bands,” from the 19th century. Commonly known as the Fascist Party, Mussolini’s new right-wing organization advocated Italian nationalism, had black shirts for uniforms, and launched a program of terrorism and intimidation against its leftist opponents.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mussolini-founds-the-fascist-party
 
BidenPresident said:
Benito Mussolini, an Italian World War I veteran and publisher of Socialist newspapers, breaks with the Italian Socialists and establishes the nationalist Fasci di Combattimento, named after the Italian peasant revolutionaries, or “Fighting Bands,” from the 19th century. Commonly known as the Fascist Party, Mussolini’s new right-wing organization advocated Italian nationalism, had black shirts for uniforms, and launched a program of terrorism and intimidation against its leftist opponents.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mussolini-founds-the-fascist-party
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So, Communists & Capitalists are never violent!?

Violence s how Communism took over & spread.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Of course there's such thing as Right Wing Socialism.

Right wing politics tend to encompass tradition & hierarchy things like Nationalism, Theocracy & Social Darwinism are inherently Right wing.

Capitalism is inherently Left wing if you ask me.

Capitalism sells out to the Liberal Left agenda.

It's A most certain fact the first Leftists & Liberals were part of Capitalist Liberty & Democractic voting rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism


Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.[11] Yellow is the political colour most commonly associated with liberalism.[12][13][14]


https://mises.org/library/first-leftist

The First Leftist

TAGS BiographiesEntrepreneurshipHistory of the Austrian School of EconomicsPolitical Theory

05/28/2009Dean Russell
[This essay appears in Essays on Liberty, (volume 1, 1952).Download PDF]

French Revolution
"Liberty Leading the People" (1830)
Eugène Delacroix (1798–1863)
The first leftist would not be popular in America today. That is true because the original leftists wanted to abolish government controls over industry, trade, and the professions. They wanted wages, prices, and profits to be determined by competition in a free market, and not by government decree. They were pledged to free their economy from government planning, and to remove the government-guaranteed special privileges of guilds, unions, and associations whose members were banded together to use the law to set the price of their labor or capital or product above what it would be in a free market.

The first leftists were a group of newly elected representatives to the National Constituent Assembly at the beginning of the French Revolution in 1789. They were labeled "leftists" merely because they happened to sit on the left side in the French Assembly.
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That's just unthinking rhetoric.

I can't upload pictures to this site, so I'll just have to describe this. You have a graph. It has three axes at right angles to one and other. These are labeled Political, Economic, and Social. X, Y, Z, if you will.

The Political axis is defined from Anarchy (a lack of any government system) to Dictatorship (one person rules all) at opposite extremes. Think of this as zero (0) being anarchy and ten (10) being dictatorship.

The Economic axis is defined from Barter (lack of an economic system) to Command Economy (total control of the economy by the state). Again, this goes from zero to ten with Barter being zero.

The Social axis is defined from Individual (individual actions dominate the society) to Group or State (the individual is subsumed into the whole of society and there is no individualism). Again, zero to ten.

When you place the often ill-defined political terms on this graph, the Left comes out in the region near ten (10) while the extreme Right comes out near zero (0). It makes for an orderly placement of political, economic, and social systems that is often lacking in discussions. So, placed on this graph both Fascism and Communism come out on the Left (near 10). Both are dictatorships. Both use command economies to a large degree, and both subsume the individual placing the state above the individual in importance. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two. Yet, Fascism is claimed to be on the "Right" while Communism is on the "Left." That makes ZERO empirical sense. Two things that share similar characteristics cannot be opposites.
Sure, Fascists and Communists can hate each other. One group of Communists can hate another too. That doesn't make them opposites in terms of their political, economic, or social views and they'd all still be on the Left when it comes to that.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
The first term Liberal & Leftist comes from people supporting more rights, liberty, freedom & Capitalism.

Nazism was Socialistic but in a lighter form which didn't abolish private property.

That's not why Nazis were Right wing, they were Right wing for supporting ultra Nationalism, opening religious ties with government & promoting Social Darwinism.

Capitalism does sell out to the Liberal Left.
Explain how it doesnt!?
Capitalist businesses hiring illegal immigrants & H2B visas, outsourcing to China, Vietnam & Mexico
Hollywood shoot up & raunchy smut, the Porn industry, Facebook , Youtube & Twitter, silencing Right wingers, illicit drug dealers, LGBTQ bars, the Leftist media particularly MSNBC, CNN & the NYT.
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Hiring illegal immigrants is not capitalism. It is psuedo-slavery, a form of socialism.
The companies in Mexico and Vietnam are just that, companies in these nations. Capitalism.
Companies in China are either created by the Chinese government (communism) or heavily manipulated by the Chinese government (fascism).

Oursourcing is neither capitalism nor socialism. It is simply hiring others to do the same job at a cheaper rate.

Hollywood smut and other goodies is capitalism, whether you like the product or not.
The porn industry is capitalism, whether you like the products or not (with the exception of some porn movie makers keeping their 'stars' as slaves).
Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter are all part of fascism. They do what they do on orders from the Democrats.
Illicit drug dealers is capitalism, even if you don't like the product they sell.
(whatever the current alphabet is) bars is capitalism, even if you don't like to go to such bars.
MSNBC, CNN, the NYT, the LA Times, and the Associated Press and others is the result of fascism. They get their orders from Democrats.


The Nazis were fascists. Fascism is government manipulation of markets (you get to keep your own business, but government tells you how to run it). Communism is ownership of markets (you no longer own the company).

Socialism is based on theft. It requires an oligarchy or dictatorship to implement it. That oligarchy or dictatorship must be brutal against dissidents, or they lose power.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's just unthinking rhetoric.

I can't upload pictures to this site, so I'll just have to describe this. You have a graph. It has three axes at right angles to one and other. These are labeled Political, Economic, and Social. X, Y, Z, if you will.

The Political axis is defined from Anarchy (a lack of any government system) to Dictatorship (one person rules all) at opposite extremes. Think of this as zero (0) being anarchy and ten (10) being dictatorship.

The Economic axis is defined from Barter (lack of an economic system) to Command Economy (total control of the economy by the state). Again, this goes from zero to ten with Barter being zero.

The Social axis is defined from Individual (individual actions dominate the society) to Group or State (the individual is subsumed into the whole of society and there is no individualism). Again, zero to ten.

When you place the often ill-defined political terms on this graph, the Left comes out in the region near ten (10) while the extreme Right comes out near zero (0). It makes for an orderly placement of political, economic, and social systems that is often lacking in discussions. So, placed on this graph both Fascism and Communism come out on the Left (near 10). Both are dictatorships. Both use command economies to a large degree, and both subsume the individual placing the state above the individual in importance. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two. Yet, Fascism is claimed to be on the "Right" while Communism is on the "Left." That makes ZERO empirical sense. Two things that share similar characteristics cannot be opposites.
Sure, Fascists and Communists can hate each other. One group of Communists can hate another too. That doesn't make them opposites in terms of their political, economic, or social views and they'd all still be on the Left when it comes to that.
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Wrong.
Amount of government has no basis in Right vs Left politics.

There's already scales for government based on that like Libertarian - Authoritarian.

The first Right wing was the French Catholic Monarchy of Authoritarian Nationalism .

A lot of societies in the Mid East & Africa are most certainly Right wing in that sense.

Nazi Germany fits too.
 
Into the Night said:
Hiring illegal immigrants is not capitalism. It is psuedo-slavery, a form of socialism.
The companies in Mexico and Vietnam are just that, companies in these nations. Capitalism.
Companies in China are either created by the Chinese government (communism) or heavily manipulated by the Chinese government (fascism).

Oursourcing is neither capitalism nor socialism. It is simply hiring others to do the same job at a cheaper rate.

Hollywood smut and other goodies is capitalism, whether you like the product or not.
The porn industry is capitalism, whether you like the products or not (with the exception of some porn movie makers keeping their 'stars' as slaves).
Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter are all part of fascism. They do what they do on orders from the Democrats.
Illicit drug dealers is capitalism, even if you don't like the product they sell.
(whatever the current alphabet is) bars is capitalism, even if you don't like to go to such bars.
MSNBC, CNN, the NYT, the LA Times, and the Associated Press and others is the result of fascism. They get their orders from Democrats.


The Nazis were fascists. Fascism is government manipulation of markets (you get to keep your own business, but government tells you how to run it). Communism is ownership of markets (you no longer own the company).

Socialism is based on theft. It requires an oligarchy or dictatorship to implement it. That oligarchy or dictatorship must be brutal against dissidents, or they lose power.
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Illegal immigrants are hired in mass by Capitalist companies.
So are jobs outsourced by Wall Street decisions.
AKA Capitalism.

Modern China is more similar to Fascism than Communism or Capitalism.
& represents
The biggest economic miracle in history.

Nazi Germany also beat every US president of the last 100 years in economic growth.

So, it's a myth that ONLY Capitalism in pure Laissez Faire forms builds wealth.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Wrong.
Amount of government has no basis in Right vs Left politics.

There's already scales for government based on that like Libertarian - Authoritarian.

The first Right wing was the French Catholic Monarchy of Authoritarian Nationalism .

A lot of societies in the Mid East & Africa are most certainly Right wing in that sense.

Nazi Germany fits too.
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None of that proves anything. It isn't empirical, hell it doesn't even make sense. You are just randomly slapping labels on things without so much as even defining your terms. That government is Right wing because I say it is! That's what your argument so far amounts to. Pulling out nonsense like There are many scales... or whatever is an irrelevant Appeal to popularity, a logical fallacy.

My definitions above are consistent, scalable, empirical, and fixed. Yours are random, concocted, and ill-defined.
 
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