California voter fraud, you can't catch what you ignore

[QP!]

Exactly. If you don't look for fraud you probably are not going to find fraud.

The FACT that the dog was registered to vote is problematic. The DOG gets a mail in ballot. Who fills that ballot out is not known. The signature is valid because the person that registered the dog signed it. That's undetectable voter fraud.

If the dog had to vote "in person" that would be a problem. That would prevent the fraud.


It defies reason to try and minimize and ignore such problems with voter registration and mail in ballot voting.

Only if you are insanely stupid there isn't.

You guys are aware voter fraud, impersonation fraud happens with in person voting right?

So I guess we need to get rid of that too.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Has fraudulent registrations been discovered so rampant that it has swayed an election? As I said, voter fraud exists, always has existed, but the opportunity costs of spending time and money on a “problem” yet to be proven consequential is irrational

If the state isn't looking for it, is even actively trying to prevent it being found, what do you think?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You guys are aware voter fraud, impersonation fraud happens with in person voting right?

So I guess we need to get rid of that too.

It's a damn sight harder. You sure as hell can't bring your dog to a polling location and get it allowed to vote there...

 

[BartenderElite]

Exactly. If you don't look for fraud you probably are not going to find fraud.

And even when they look for it, they don't find it.

It's wild what Trump has done to America.

 

[archives]

If the state isn't looking for it, is even actively trying to prevent it being found, what do you think?

Why waste time and money looking for that which has been shown insignificant

 

[QP!]

It's a damn sight harder. You sure as hell can't bring your dog to a polling location and get it allowed to vote there...

Doesn't matter. It's hard to cheat in any meaningful way via mail in.

So in person should be scrapped as their is meaningless fraud there too.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Doesn't matter. It's hard to cheat in any meaningful way via mail in.

So in person should be scrapped as their is meaningless fraud there too.

It does matter. If the public perception of elections and voting is that there's fraud and cheating going on, whether there is or not those people lose faith in the system. If they see fraud and then see that government is doing nothing about it, that's the same problem.

 

[AProudLefty]

It does matter. If the public perception of elections and voting is that there's fraud and cheating going on, whether there is or not those people lose faith in the system. If they see fraud and then see that government is doing nothing about it, that's the same problem.

Funny how perception changed since Trump.

 

[QP!]

Why waste time and money looking for that which has been shown insignificant

And look how quick

It does matter. If the public perception of elections and voting is that there's fraud and cheating going on, whether there is or not those people lose faith in the system. If they see fraud and then see that government is doing nothing about it, that's the same problem.

Exactly.

And it is my perception that there is fraud in in person voting because there is.

Therefore people should not be able to vote by mail or in person.

 

[QP!]

Funny how perception changed since Trump.

Yup.

The same magats used to love to say "facts do not care about your feelings" and now 'facts do not matter and only the perception (what you feel about it) is what matters'.

Hypocrites as always. The 1st Rule of being a magat. Nothing you said or believed prior matters.

 

[IBDaMann]

How have you concluded that it's a "serious problem?"

Just one case is unacceptable. "Serious" is an extreme understatement.

 

[FastLane]

And even when they look for it, they don't find it.

It's wild what Trump has done to America.

After the vote is separated from the envelope in a paper ballot there is no way to discover fraud with a mail in vote.

 

[archives]

It does matter. If the public perception of elections and voting is that there's fraud and cheating going on, whether there is or not those people lose faith in the system. If they see fraud and then see that government is doing nothing about it, that's the same problem.

You just revealed Trump’s strategy from the jump

Without documentation, claim elections are fraudulent, make Americans perceive elections are fraudulent, if I lose to Cruz Iowa, it is not because he got more votes than me, rather is was because the election was fraudulent

If enough people buy into the bogus claim, you then have an excuse to become directly involved with election infrastructure and ultimately manage elections. It isn’t coincidental that the only States the DOJ is acting upon are Blue States Trump lost

 

[T. A. Gardner]

After the vote is separated from the envelope in a paper ballot there is no way to discover fraud with a mail in vote.

Even before hand there's really no way of knowing. You have no way to prove the ballot was filled out by the person it was sent to. You have no way of knowing if the signature is actually the person whose name is on the ballot. You have no way of knowing who handled that ballot or that it wasn't altered in some fashion during the process.

Out-of-sight, out-of-mind, no chain of custody. It was sent out. It came back. What happened in between is pure conjecture.