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Cypress said:
There are enough intelligent, mature, and/or entertaining people here to read and exchange posts with. My philosophy is to not waste valuable time reading or responding to racists, bigots, dunces, liars, or losers. And believe me, a significant portion of the rightwing contingent thrives on tepid insults, girlish gossip, scurrilous slander, and flaccid mediocrity.
My two cents: put them on ignore, thread ban them....or just watch them beg for your attention. Your robust ignore list looks like a hell of a start!
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"flaccid mediocrity"

Oh lord, I need to remember that one. Thanks. :clink:
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

$12 billion returned to consumers by the CFPB, and you're saying this is an anamoly?

$12 billion is justification for the existence of the government agency which Trump has essentially shut down by installing as acting director, consumer's most ardent enemy.

Regulations are not being enforced.

Consumers are getting ripped off.

Some of those consumers are undoubtedly poor black people at payday loan joints and buy-here-pay-here car lots.

Ripping off poor people doesn't make America great.
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Once again, you're trying to apply one example to all of big business. And "Some of those consumers are undoubtedly poor black people" doesn't extrapolate to "Ripping off poor people". Do you now see the flaw in your argument? Not sure why you're waging war against ALL large corporations when many/most large corporations play by the rules and allow for average Americans to profit and thrive in the free market capitalist system.
 
Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Once again, you're trying to apply one example to all of big business.
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I have said no such thing. You made that up.

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Not sure why you're waging war against ALL large corporations when many/most large corporations play by the rules and allow for average Americans to profit and thrive in the free market capitalist system.
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There is no war being waged against ALL large corporations. Where did you get that? And who are you replying to? I never said that. That's just a dramatic sound byte you're incorrectly applying. No war has been declared nor engaged in. You have no evidence of a single attack on all large corporations by the CFPB.

Besides, if many/most large corporations are treating consumers well, they have nothing to worry about from enforcement of regulations designed to ensure they do just as they are already doing.

The CFPB is to root out the few who are ripping people off. Why do you want to protect them? Why should there not be enforcement to come down on them?
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
You are making way too many assumptions with little proof. Regarding the negative influence of capitalism, I think you're really taking an extreme view. In fact, in may ways, you remind me of my parents in the 60s and what they were saying about Elvis Presley and The Beatles. They were appalled when they saw Elvis gyrate his hips and when they saw Mick Jagger singing "I just want to make love to you" on TV.
What would you prefer? The government making then decisions on what is "appropriate" to sell? I sure don't. I agree that there are some aspects of capitalism that need to be regulated. Look at Facebook as an example. Do you really think Mark Zuckerberg maliciously formatted Facebook to take advantage of people's privacy to improve his bottom line? I don't. I remember growing up in the 50s & 60s, there were kids toys that were outright dangerous. Cars didn't have seat belts, windshields weren't made of safety glass. Buildings didn't have proper fire safety measures. That's what I mean by capitalism isn't perfect.
Many changes have been made to make products safer. Not only from new regulations, but because consumers want safer products and the businesses that give customers what they want are the ones that succeed.
But like I said before, the government is the most bloated, inefficient, corrupt entity in the world. And it's only getting bigger. You can't rely on the government to fix everything wrong in America. It can't and in some ways only makes things worse. Look at Bush Jr's attempt to get low-income people to buy homes. He encouraged banks to give mortgages without a down-payment and millions of low-income people bought homes.
But, when they couldn't keep up with the payments, we had a mortgage crisis and, in 2008 it merged into the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. All because Bush Jr and the government wanted to help the poor. I do not agree with giving the poor a stipend, Section 8 housing, food stamps, medicaid etc. You're rewarding failure and keeping the poor in that cycle of poverty.
America stands for freedom. Americans have the freedom to be wealthy or poor. Freedom doesn't mean everyone should be middle class. It means some people are willing to work very hard to be successful and some aren't.
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What's wrong with wanting everyone to be middle class? Why must we tolerate the fact that some will be extremely poor and some will be extremely rich in this country when there is plenty of money and resources to go around except the very rich are hoarding it at the top, and we are letting them? I don't believe everyone should be exactly the same or have the same stuff but this income disparity is doing this country in.
 
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katzgar said:
I am a northerner that moved to Louisiana about 3 years ago. I was sitting at the bar at a local restaurant and got to talking to a black woman sitting next to me and she told me that her father always warned her to be careful of the old white guys. This is why I say when the boomers are gone a lot of races and will be gone. There are still younger racists so it won't be all gone. Each passing generation things get better and better.

About 7 years ago my son and I were in Natchez on a little road trip and we were walking down the sidewalk and a black woman was walking towards us she was very old and very gnarled. We went to single file to allow her room to pass on the sidewalk but even if that she stepped out into the gutter to walk around us. We went to a bar for dinner down the street and there was three people behind the bar two whites and a black, young people. I was watching how they interrelated amongst the three of them and it was all is equals there was no subservience by the black and there was no attitude from the whites they all work together as a team equally. I am hopeful for the future but it will take some generations yet.
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As a Black woman I was taught this as well. I was also taught to not only be care of white men, but white women too. They can be just as dangerous as white men, ask Emitt Till. After all, 70% of white women voted for dump.

Bill Cosby is just as rich as Will and Denzel, but look what's happening to him. He's the only one going down for rape in Hollywood.

Two Black men were just arrested in Starbucks for doing absolutely nothing.....

Racism is alive and well in this country done by every generation. It's not just old white people
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

I have said no such thing. You made that up.

There is no war being waged against ALL large corporations. Where did you get that? And who are you replying to? I never said that. That's just a dramatic sound byte you're incorrectly applying. No war has been declared nor engaged in. You have no evidence of a single attack on all large corporations by the CFPB.

Besides, if many/most large corporations are treating consumers well, they have nothing to worry about from enforcement of regulations designed to ensure they do just as they are already doing.

The CFPB is to root out the few who are ripping people off. Why do you want to protect them? Why should there not be enforcement to come down on them?
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The "waging war" comment was a figure of speech. Surely you could tell I didn't mean that literally.
But you're criticizing all corporations because of the malfeasance of a few.
And I never said I wanted to protect the corporations that are engaging in illegal activities. Where did you get that? I never said that.

Again, your comments:

Consumers are getting ripped off. Some of those consumers are undoubtedly poor black people.

I have no problem going after the corporations who are breaking the law but I refuse to demonize ALL corporations because of the malfeasance of a very small minority. Do you agree or disagree? Do you believe most corporations abide by the rules and benefit all Americans?
 
Gotcha68 said:
What's wrong with wanting everyone to be middle class? Why must we tolerate the fact that some will be extremely poor and some will be extremely rich in this country when there is plenty of money and resources to go around except the very rich are hoarding it at the top, and we are letting them? I don't believe everyone should be exactly the same or have the same stuff but this income disparity is doing this country in.
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Are you kidding? What you're talking about is socialism and socialism doesn't work. It's been proven time and time again. Why would a doctor work hard to go through and pay for eight years of college, work hard all hours under extreme stress to earn the same salary as a cashier at Walmart?
In a free democratic society, people have the right to be rich and they have the right to be poor. It's up to them to realize their place in the socio-economic ladder, not the government. How would you feel if you worked hard to become, say, an engineer or attorney and were making a six figure annual salary, had a nice home, nice cars and the government came to your door and said "You make too much money. Give half of what you earn to these poor people who don't want to work hard, don't want to educate themselves and make a better living for themselves".

What would you think about that?
 
Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
I have no problem going after the corporations who are breaking the law
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Oh good. Then you support having a functional and aggressive CFPB to do exactly that, and should agree that President Trump's pick for acting director is probably the worst possible choice which could have been made for consumers, because has not only failed, he has not even tried; and on purpose.

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
but I refuse to demonize ALL corporations because of the malfeasance of a very small minority.
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So do I, and I have no idea why you would even mention it. I certainly never advocated for that.

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Do you believe most corporations abide by the rules and benefit all Americans?
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I do believe that most corporations abide by the rules, and I also recognize that we still need enforcement for the few corporations which do not abide by the rules. I also recognize that often, when the rules are broken, it is the poorest who are getting the shaft, and the richest who are profiting from it.

I do not agree that most corporations benefit all Americans. Many are designed to benefit very few people, while extracting wealth from the rest and offering as little as possible in return. Our landfills are full of the evidence of a disposable throw-away society which works at various jobs all day long only to be able to afford a few trinkets, many of which are only possessed for 6 months to a few years, but the wealth accumulated by that corporation continues to grow far beyond that which most mortal humans can achieve.

Part of that is certainly due to the fact that corporations outlive humans. I have wondered if we should have an automatic sunset on corporate charters. Perhaps a corporation which is the brainchild of a gifted individual or small group should remain in their control as long as they live; but then afterwards should become an employee-owned corporation. Maybe it's not a good thing to let corporations buy other corporations. I'm not sure how that benefits anybody except the owners. People usually get laid off.
 
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