Joe Biden Is the First Presidential Candidate to Receive Over 75 Million Votes

Cinnabar said:
Your dark scenario need not unfold at all but people must wake up. When 60-80% of the American people support and badly need the policies that can raise everyone up but the so-called representatives are going out of their way to not deliver, we no longer have a representative government and therein lies the problem. Both parties are serving their corporate masters and the establishment Dems are now the party that the GOP was a few decades ago while the GOP is just off the effing rails but neither party, with a few exceptions in the Dem party, are advocating for the will of the people. The USA used to be number 1 in the industrialized world in affording people upward mobility and now it is number 34 and that is not an accident.
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The reason why the US used to be number 1 in economic mobility in the world was because most of the West was recovering from WW2. Outsourcing wasn't a thing yet, because the developing world was too primitive to do much of that. We were also the most desirable place to invest in.

Decades later, things changed as the rest of the West caught up, and the developing world was advanced enough to provide cheap labor and somewhat reliable production.

There is no path in which America can return to the economic golden days of the 50s. It is an absolute fantasy to think otherwise. If anything, the Boomers lucked out, because they happened to be born at the exact right time to experience an advanced nation at its economic peak in comparison to its competitors.

We can increase economic mobility here, but it won't come from more regulation or more taxes. It also won't come from corporate bailouts.

The Dems are going to have an interesting time reining in the social left, however. They promised to support reparations and healthcare for illegals, so good luck with funding all that.
 
Saudade said:
The reason why the US used to be number 1 in economic mobility in the world was because most of the West was recovering from WW2. Outsourcing wasn't a thing yet, because the developing world was too primitive to do much of that. We were also the most desirable place to invest in.

Decades later, things changed as the rest of the West caught up, and the developing world was advanced enough to provide cheap labor and somewhat reliable production.

There is no path in which America can return to the economic golden days of the 50s. It is an absolute fantasy to think otherwise. If anything, the Boomers lucked out, because they happened to be born at the exact right time to experience an advanced nation at its economic peak in comparison to its competitors.

We can increase economic mobility here, but it won't come from more regulation or more taxes. It also won't come from corporate bailouts.

The Dems are going to have an interesting time reining in the social left, however. They promised to support reparations and healthcare for illegals, so good luck with funding all that.
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There are policies that raise people up which are in use in nations that have healthier, happier and more educated populations but Americans can't have nice things because we now exist to make the rich richer as the policies are being written by them.
 
Cinnabar said:
There are policies that raise people up which are in use in nations that have healthier, happier and more educated populations but Americans can't have nice things because we now exist to make the rich richer as the policies are being written by them.
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I can agree with you on that. Singapore has some great policies. Granted, some of them probably wouldn't work here.

While the corruption of our government is part of the problem, another problem is that American culture doesn't have a proper sense of responsibility. In a lot of the European countries that much of the American left likes to admire, the people are more work-oriented and have a better sense of community. They also tend to be less diverse, which really helps in unity. In a diverse nation, individualism is a natural fit, because of this lack of unity. But individualism leads to the elite exploiting the system and some of the poor thinking everything is owed to them by the government. America is a lot more selfish than many European nations, but it's in aspects that many on the left fail to see.

You guys often talk about how selfish the rich are, and I agree that some of them are -- particularly on Wall Street. But there are also a lot of people that don't pull their weight in society but still expect everyone else to bail them out with social spending.

And then you have groups like BLM that demand money, power, and goods from the rest of us as well.

In short, whoever enters office in this country doesn't have the power to change our culture. Only we do. And if we can't unite against the selfish among the rich, poor, or just plain annoying, then you can forget about nice things in general.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Yeah! Democrat fraud is amazing, huh?
Fucking dumbass.
It's great to ruin America huh?
Does your moulinyan ass really think low-energy Biden got more votes than Obama? Pfft!

That's how many ballots they had to fraud to beat Trump is what it is.
Bank it.
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Such a sore loser. Just accept the majority of Americans did not want trump.
 
Saudade said:
I can agree with you on that. Singapore has some great policies. Granted, some of them probably wouldn't work here.

While the corruption of our government is part of the problem, another problem is that American culture doesn't have a proper sense of responsibility. In a lot of the European countries that much of the American left likes to admire, the people are more work-oriented and have a better sense of community. They also tend to be less diverse, which really helps in unity. In a diverse nation, individualism is a natural fit, because of this lack of unity. But individualism leads to the elite exploiting the system and some of the poor thinking everything is owed to them by the government. America is a lot more selfish than many European nations, but it's in aspects that many on the left fail to see.

You guys often talk about how selfish the rich are, and I agree that some of them are -- particularly on Wall Street. But there are also a lot of people that don't pull their weight in society but still expect everyone else to bail them out with social spending.

And then you have groups like BLM that demand money, power, and goods from the rest of us as well.

In short, whoever enters office in this country doesn't have the power to change our culture. Only we do. And if we can't unite against the selfish among the rich, poor, or just plain annoying, then you can forget about nice things in general.
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the USA is the richest nation in the world with hard working people many of who work multiple jobs to make ends meet and very often keep jobs that they want to leave just because its tied to their health insurance which is bizarre. We have the most bloated military industrial complex and a rapacious for profit health insurance industry. After a half a century of failed trickle down voodoo, the so called representatives are still peddling the shit and after fighting a revolution to escape a system of serfs and lords and generational aristocracy, we have idiots who are perfectly willing to regress back to that crap.

We can do a lot better than bailing out the wealthy when our system fails...

Privatize the Profits/ Socialize the Losses

There’s nothing “normal” about having a middle class. Having a middle class is a choice that a society has to make, and it’s a choice we need to make again in this generation, if we want to stop the destruction of the remnants of the last generation's middle class. Despite what you might read in the Wall Street Journal or see on Fox News, capitalism is not an economic system that produces a middle class. In fact, if left to its own devices, capitalism tends towards vast levels of inequality and monopoly. The natural and most stable state of capitalism actually looks a lot like the Victorian England depicted in Charles Dickens’ novels.

At the top there is a very small class of superrich. Below them, there is a slightly larger, but still very small, "middle" class of professionals and mercantilists - doctor, lawyers, shop-owners - who help keep things running for the superrich and supply the working poor with their needs. And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.

So, for average working people, there is no such thing as a middle class in “normal” capitalism. Wealth accumulates at the very top among the elites, not among everyday working people. Inequality is the default option.

https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/04/middle-class-not-“normal”
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Cinnabar said:
the USA is the richest nation in the world with hard working people many of who work multiple jobs to make ends meet and very often keep jobs that they want to leave just because its tied to their health insurance which is bizarre. We have the most bloated military industrial complex and a rapacious for profit health insurance industry. After a half a century of failed trickle down voodoo, the so called representatives are still peddling the shit and as after fighting a revolution to escape a system of serfs and lords and generational aristocracy, we have idiots who are perfectly willing to regress back to that crap.

We can do a lot better than bailing out the wealthy when our system fails...

Privatize the Profits/ Socialize the Losses
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All I'm saying is stop bailing out the rich, and stop bailing out the lazy.

UBI is feasible, although it would be optimal if we coupled that with job training. We could maybe give a bonus to the UBI if someone successfully completed job training.
 
dukkha said:
C'MON MAN!
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CORN POP YOU KNOW...THE THING?!

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The only serious question remaining for America is 'Is Trump fit to plead?' It will save the Country's dignity if he is shown to be incurably insane.
 
Saudade said:
Well, at least you admit that Biden isn't very good. The problem isn't really a matter of party anyway. The problem is that a lot of what the West is based on seems to be slowly falling apart. That's not something any president can properly address. It's just a matter of time chipping away at civilization and having something better replace it. If we're lucky, we'll die before this country truly collapses, but I feel sorry for the people who are currently young children. By the time they're in the prime of their lives, they will have inherited a shitshow of a culture and nation. And this goes for not just America but much of the West in general.
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Trump's trying to give them a little bit of the good and opportunities he had when growing up in America, but they don't see that.

The way it's heading is bad bad bad.

If this election fraud stands, there will never be another free and fair election in America again.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Trump's trying to give them a little bit of the good and opportunities he had when growing up in America, but they don't see that.

The way it's heading is bad bad bad.

If this election fraud stands, there will never be another free and fair election in America again!
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I understand people get small dogs as emotional support companions when they have emotional breakdowns
 
Matt Dillon said:
Trump's trying to give them a little bit of the good and opportunities he had when growing up in America, but they don't see that.

The way it's heading is bad bad bad.

If this election fraud stands, there will never be another free and fair election in America again.
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What? Trump is helping people get born rich. That is big of him. This election is fair, They are counting slowly and carefully. There is nothing happening in the dark. You just do not speak American. You think and talk in Trumpian. It is going to come out for Biden because he got the most votes. Not much a conspiracy there.
 
Nordberg said:
What? Trump is helping people get born rich. That is big of him. This election is fair, They are counting slowly and carefully. There is nothing happening in the dark. You just do not speak American. You think and talk in Trumpian. It is going to come out for Biden because he got the most votes. Not much a conspiracy there.
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Let's be sure of that. :)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Reagan 1984 was the first. Trump is the second.
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Wrong! Reagan 1986.

He was OK in '84.

George Bush having him shot hurt Reagan a lot more than was widely known to the public. He recovered a lot after almost dying, but was never truly "whole" again.

Fun fact: It was only a .22 ricochet off of the vehicle.

H.W. Bush ran the country for around 10 years, and he was a globalist dickwad and his dad bankrolled the Nazis.

Just think about all the foreign bullshit that was going on back then. Bush was importing cocaine with the CIA and started "The War on Drugs".

Drug zombies walking the streets n shit.

One night one almost walked straight into the side of my van.
I hit the gas and that oblivious motherfucker just kep walking.
If I didn't hit the gas, he would have stepped face first right into the side with his foot under the back wheel.
 
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