John Wayne Exhibition Removed

[Wolverine]

Your level of stupid just can’t be remedied, Cletus

Your town called, they would like their idiot back run along. You are the biggest troll on here, and never post anything relevant, run back to your old, rich, white democrat party, so they can tell you what to think next!

 

[domer76]

Your town called, they would like their idiot back run along. You are the biggest troll on here, and never post anything relevant, run back to your old, rich, white democrat party, so they can tell you what to think next!

Says the fucking moron that doesn’t know the difference between an adjective and a noun. Illiterate fuck.

What would your “black friends” say?

 

[Into the Night]

John Wayne only won one Oscar for True Grit...and it was more of a lifetime award. I liked his movies just like I like Tom Cruise movies, but I think both people (as are most Hollywood flakes) are assholes.

So you don't like anyone from Hollywood. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

I understand you like Wayne movies and to each their own. But I do not know anybody under the age of 70 who watches Wayne movies, and I cannot even recall the last time I have heard anyone talk about John Wayne.

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

He might have been the Mel Gibson of the 1940 and 50s, but time has not been kind to his legacy. The vast majority of his movies are utterly forgettable, and his acting skills were mediocre at best.

Subjective opinion used as an invalid proof.

People might have thought of him as an icon in the 1970s, but I think the shine had worn off that perception at this point.

You seem to forget that John Wayne died in 1979...yet statues of him exist. Exhibits of him and his work exist. Museums have sections devoted to John Wayne and his movies. Even an airport is named after him. He is known throughout the world. Memorials or statues depict him in several countries. What you consider a 'mediocre actor' is an actor that is celebrated around the world.

I actually still know Gen Xers who will sit and watch a Humphrey Bogart or Charlton Heston movie

I know some that sit and watch a John Wayne movie as well. Heck, I know some that watch a Marx Bros. movie. Those are even older films.

 

[Into the Night]

I said nobody I know under 70 watches or talks about Wayne. I do not know you and I do not know 99 9999 percent of the people in this country.

You need to get out more.

Maybe I am wrong, and there are still huge amounts of people still making it a point to watch Wayne movies.

I think part of it also is that people simply do not watch westerns anymore. And that seems like it was Wayne's bread and butter. Westerns is pretty much a dead film genre.

Certainly not a dead genre! Hollywood released some 29 westerns in 2019. You REALLY need to get out more.

I like Star Wars and Tom Hank's too. Forrest Gump and Private Ryan are two of my favorite movies. I have probably seen Gump 20 times

Star Wars is a combination of a western and scifi. This combination seems to be popular and it works well. The Firefly series also used this combination. In the case of Star Wars, Lucas also combined martial art films into the combination. Mixing martial arts and westerns is not new either (Kung Fu series), and also seems to work well.

 

[Micawber]

John Wayne was a draft dodger

 

[Into the Night]

John Wayne was a draft dodger

You have already said this, and I have already responded to you. Argument by repetition fallacy. The draft board listed him as 3A, then later changed it to 2A. He was not dodging the draft.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Delusional disorder.


John Wayne was a popular but one-note actor who avoided the draft, according to the article below, which explains his "super-patriotism" act in later life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ne-Dietrich-best-lay-ve-new-book-reveals.html

 

[Dutch Uncle]

John Wayne was a draft dodger

Agreed, just like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Agreed, just like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

Read the thread. Your statement is false. Of the three, only Bill Clinton dodged the draft. Trump, like many others got a deferment--deserved or not. Wayne got deferred too several times for different reasons. Bill Clinton on the other hand deliberately signed up for ROTC, got a deferment then quit the program immediately afterwards. That is, he found a way to get deferred then failed to follow through with the program the deferment was for. Clearly he did this to dodge the draft.
Trump's medical deferment might have been a dodge, but we don't know for sure and the military bought his medical reason.

In Wayne's case it was for age, dependents, and later for being critical to the war program in his employment.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Read the thread. Your statement is false. Of the three, only Bill Clinton dodged the draft. Trump, like many others got a deferment--deserved or not. Wayne got deferred too several times for different reasons. Bill Clinton on the other hand deliberately signed up for ROTC, got a deferment then quit the program immediately afterwards. That is, he found a way to get deferred then failed to follow through with the program the deferment was for. Clearly he did this to dodge the draft.
Trump's medical deferment might have been a dodge, but we don't know for sure and the military bought his medical reason.

In Wayne's case it was for age, dependents, and later for being critical to the war program in his employment.

They are all draft-dodgers. Funny how only the fucking Democrat is the draft-dodger in your opinion but your two heroes are not.

Anyone who has ever served knows that if a person wants to serve, they can even with minor defects such as a shoulder injury that doesn't stop a person from working as stuntman. I won't even bother with the weenie "bone spurs" and "anal piles" excuses.

 

[archives]

Read the thread. Your statement is false. Of the three, only Bill Clinton dodged the draft. Trump, like many others got a deferment--deserved or not. Wayne got deferred too several times for different reasons. Bill Clinton on the other hand deliberately signed up for ROTC, got a deferment then quit the program immediately afterwards. That is, he found a way to get deferred then failed to follow through with the program the deferment was for. Clearly he did this to dodge the draft.
Trump's medical deferment might have been a dodge, but we don't know for sure and the military bought his medical reason.

In Wayne's case it was for age, dependents, and later for being critical to the war program in his employment.

"being critical to the war program in his employment?" He wasn't the only one pumping out propaganda films, even the Three Stooges did it

And regardless of anything else, John Wayne was an awful actor, of all his films, he only really acted in three, Stagecoach, more acclaimed cause he was new to the screen, Red River, and the Searchers. He did nothing in his life to earn a statue, and as was surmised earlier, he only got one cause he was a big time donor to USC

 

[archives]

They are all draft-dodgers. Funny how only the fucking Democrat is the draft-dodger in your opinion but your two heroes are not.

Anyone who has ever served knows that if a person wants to serve, they can even with minor defects such as a shoulder injury that doesn't stop a person from working as stuntman. I won't even bother with the weenie "bone spurs" and "anal piles" excuses.

Especially when you consider where those people were at that time in their lives, like Fred didn't arrange for Donny to get his deferments, the Selective Service at that time was locally administered, if you had connections, deferments came easy

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They are all draft-dodgers. Funny how only the fucking Democrat is the draft-dodger in your opinion but your two heroes are not.

Anyone who has ever served knows that if a person wants to serve, they can even with minor defects such as a shoulder injury that doesn't stop a person from working as stuntman. I won't even bother with the weenie "bone spurs" and "anal piles" excuses.

None of them are my heroes. Instead, I based my answer on actual draft practices in US history, and the actual history of the three involved. I placed the details of Wayne's deferments at the beginning of this thread.

You also, as almost anyone who has never bothered to read so much as a word on the history of the draft in modern times in the US, to see that about 1 in 3 people drafted are rejected or deferred for various reasons, and in some parts of the US, as many as 1 in 2.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

"being critical to the war program in his employment?" He wasn't the only one pumping out propaganda films, even the Three Stooges did it

And regardless of anything else, John Wayne was an awful actor, of all his films, he only really acted in three, Stagecoach, more acclaimed cause he was new to the screen, Red River, and the Searchers. He did nothing in his life to earn a statue, and as was surmised earlier, he only got one cause he was a big time donor to USC

I just noted that in early 1944 he was reclassified as II-A and that was the reason given. I will also note that it was Republic Studio's management that requested and got his deferment, not Wayne himself. Whereas in 1940 when he first came up for a draft, he was classified III-A because he was 34 (at that time the maximum age being taken) and had 4 dependent children (only single men were being accepted at that time).

As for his career on screen, that's a different subject.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Especially when you consider where those people were at that time in their lives, like Fred didn't arrange for Donny to get his deferments, the Selective Service at that time was locally administered, if you had connections, deferments came easy

Agreed. It's not like Bill and Don were alone in dodging the draft. Most of the white rich guys did it. It was rare when they did go. IIRC, Al Gore went on his father's advice about future politics. Like Trump doesn't like POWs, I don't like draft-dodgers. They can all kiss my hairy, unwashed ass regardless of their politics or beliefs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

None of them are my heroes. Instead, I based my answer on actual draft practices in US history, and the actual history of the three involved. I placed the details of Wayne's deferments at the beginning of this thread.

You also, as almost anyone who has never bothered to read so much as a word on the history of the draft in modern times in the US, to see that about 1 in 3 people drafted are rejected or deferred for various reasons, and in some parts of the US, as many as 1 in 2.

No doubt all of your friends admire your legal and historical expertise.

None of them were ever prosecuted for draft-dodging because what they did was legal. Hypocrisy is you give a pass to some and condemn others based purely on politics.

 

[Cypress]

Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Subjective opinion used as an invalid proof.

You seem to forget that John Wayne died in 1979...yet statues of him exist. Exhibits of him and his work exist. Museums have sections devoted to John Wayne and his movies. Even an airport is named after him. He is known throughout the world. Memorials or statues depict him in several countries. What you consider a 'mediocre actor' is an actor that is celebrated around the world.

I know some that sit and watch a John Wayne movie as well. Heck, I know some that watch a Marx Bros. movie. Those are even older films.

I did not say Marion Morrison (aka, fake stage name John Wayne) was not widely known.

I did not even say certain people (octogenarians and septuagenarians) may consider him a cultural icon.


What I said is that I doubt many Gen Xers or millennials consider him an icon, let alone even watch his crappy movies. And that trend of utter disregard for Marion's legacy is only going to accelerate in coming years.

And I said he was a terrible actor mostly known for acting in numerous B-list Hollywood films.

Collectively, at this point in history Marion really does not merit statues, monuments, and airports in his honor. He is just not that important anymore.

 

[archives]

Agreed. It's not like Bill and Don were alone in dodging the draft. Most of the white rich guys did it. It was rare when they did go. IIRC, Al Gore went on his father's advice about future politics. Like Trump doesn't like POWs, I don't like draft-dodgers. They can all kiss my hairy, unwashed ass regardless of their politics or beliefs.

Correct, however there is a major difference, you don't see a lot of those who are Democrats coming out thirty years later and talking the tough guy macho military rhetoric, can't say the same for Trump, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Cheney, etc

 

[cawacko]

"being critical to the war program in his employment?" He wasn't the only one pumping out propaganda films, even the Three Stooges did it

And regardless of anything else, John Wayne was an awful actor, of all his films, he only really acted in three, Stagecoach, more acclaimed cause he was new to the screen, Red River, and the Searchers. He did nothing in his life to earn a statue, and as was surmised earlier, he only got one cause he was a big time donor to USC

This is such a weird argument. To each his own whether one likes him or not but dude is considered an American icon and still ranks in polls as one of the most popular actors of the 20th century decades after his death. And you question why a University with the top film school would want to honor him?

Maybe you’re just trolling, I don’t know.