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S. C. Gwynne's book "Empire of the Summer Moon" told how Native American tribes were vicious, torturous and slavers. There was no such thing as "the noble savage". People are people. LOL

Slavery among Native Americans in the United States includes slavery by and enslavement of Native Americans roughly within what is currently the United States of America....

...Many Native-American tribes practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America.[2][3]


The Haida and Tlingit peoples who lived along the southeastern Alaskan coast were traditionally known as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California. Slavery was hereditary after slaves were taken as prisoners of war. Among some Pacific Northwest tribes, about a quarter of the population were slaves.[5][6] Other slave-owning tribes of North America were, for example, Comanche[7] of Texas, Creek of Georgia, the fishing societies, such as the Yurok, that lived along the coast from what is now Alaska to California; the Pawnee, and Klamath.[8]


Torture among Native Americans has historical roots in the practices of various indigenous tribes, where it was often directed towards enemies, captives, and those who violated tribal norms. While some tribes, like the Pueblo Indians, reportedly engaged in little to no torture, others, particularly in the Eastern Woodlands and Plains cultures, practiced it more frequently....

...Torture took place in several varieties. Often the captors tied enemies to a stake or other framework and burned them with bonfires, firebrands, or coals. Stabbing, beating, and cutting the victims often occurred along with the burnings, as did mutilation and dismemberment. Torturers often shot arrows or, after obtaining guns, bullets into the suffering captives. Some of the unlucky experienced the horrors of feeling themselves disemboweled, flayed, or scalped while they were still alive. On many occasions, however, the goal of torture was not death. With such customs as the gauntlet, in which victims had to run or stagger through rows of kicking, punching, and beating tribal members lined up in parallel or spiral formations, a tribe was often testing captives as potential adoptees or slaves. If a captive showed pluck or fortitude, he or she might even be rewarded with freedom.

To individual tribal groups, torture probably had many and different meanings. On one level it was surely an expression of simple revenge. Yet for most groups, torture also served military, social, and religious needs. Tribes could earn a terrifying and fearsome reputation through renowned torture. Members who had not participated in the actual battle or capture could join communally in a torture ceremony. Many indigenous peoples also believed that enemies would haunt them in an afterworld, and mutilation would distinctly disable those enemies. Sometimes torture was propitiation of certain spirits, manitous, or windigos. Whatever the case, torture was not, as many European Americans feared and believed, random, unthinking violence, but rather a custom integrated into the tribal worldview.
And for some reason, Damo couldn't do this. Thanks for acting like an adult.
 
And for some reason, Damo couldn't do this. Thanks for acting like an adult.
Thank you for your appreciation, but, let's be honest, on JPP it's not a very high bar to act like an adult. LOL

Example:
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I'm poorly educated...
Time until Arbie calls me a coward and hid from him in a police station: 10...9...8...
 
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STFU, you Ignoramus Giganticus you.
You don't even read The Constitution, bitch!
^You probably fapped to that, you sick fuck. Also, you proved the point you were disagreeing with.
You know absolutely wrong. Dutch already made a post about it, and fapped to it too.
Natives tortured people and took slaves. Negro slaves even, retard.
Not all of them, but ones around where the settlers landed did.
I would doubt the Cheyenne did.
You know what's overrated? Dutch Uncle. :BKick:
That POS is not qualified to cup Christopher Columbus's balls.
Your emotional attachment to me is interesting, Mattie. Why is that?

Do I remind you of your father? A more intelligent brother? What you could have been had you not slammed your head so many times against a prison toilet?

Please tell me. I'm truly curious.
 
Damo couldn't explain what slavery and torture he was talking about among Native Americans. I know there were some tribal conflicts but slavery and torture weren't part of it. He then took exception when I said Columbus discovered the West Indies and might not have landed in America. He said I need to stop partaking in politically biased sources. I guess I'll have to tell those textbook writers and internet historians that they aren't white-washing enough of American history.

To equate *anything* the indigenous people did before Columbus with what the Europeans did is ridiculous. Natives were said by the invaders and later slave owners that they made poor slaves. That's one reason so many people were imported from Africa. Otherwise, wouldn't they have used "Indians"? So the point is that if they made poor slaves for the Whites, wouldn't they have made poor slaves for other tribes?

Racists and American history whitewashers always resort to those tales of human sacrfice, torture, slavery, constant wars etc. to justify what the Europeans did to the indigenous people. History is written by the victors, and much of what was thought to be widespred was in fact confined to a few nations.
 
To equate *anything* the indigenous people did before Columbus with what the Europeans did is ridiculous. Natives were said by the invaders and later slave owners that they made poor slaves. That's one reason so many people were imported from Africa. Otherwise, wouldn't they have used "Indians"? So the point is that if they made poor slaves for the Whites, wouldn't they have made poor slaves for other tribes?

Racists and American history whitewashers always resort to those tales of human sacrfice, torture, slavery, constant wars etc. to justify what the Europeans did to the indigenous people. History is written by the victors, and much of what was thought to be widespred was in fact confined to a few nations.
I know some tribes were vicious over territory and were prone to conflict. Apaches come to mind. Still, all these proclaimed things weren't endemic to Native culture like the white washers and America chest thumpers would like us to believe. Dutch showed some examples, but nothing widespread. I doubt anyone landing in America would have come across it.
 
To equate *anything* the indigenous people did before Columbus with what the Europeans did is ridiculous. Natives were said by the invaders and later slave owners that they made poor slaves. That's one reason so many people were imported from Africa. Otherwise, wouldn't they have used "Indians"? So the point is that if they made poor slaves for the Whites, wouldn't they have made poor slaves for other tribes?

Racists and American history whitewashers always resort to those tales of human sacrfice, torture, slavery, constant wars etc. to justify what the Europeans did to the indigenous people. History is written by the victors, and much of what was thought to be widespred was in fact confined to a few nations.
It's not justification, just pointing out that all human beings have the capacity to be violent assholes.
 
It's not justification, just pointing out that all human beings have the capacity to be violent assholes.

In political discussions it absolutely IS justification.

History book: Europeans brought slavery to the New World
Revisionist: Yeah but the Indians had slaves too.

Professor: Many indigenous people were burned at the stake for not converting to Christianity.
Revisionist: Yeah but they had human sacrfice and torture!
 
In political discussions it absolutely IS justification.

History book: Europeans brought slavery to the New World
Revisionist: Yeah but the Indians had slaves too.

Professor: Many indigenous people were burned at the stake for not converting to Christianity.
Revisionist: Yeah but they had human sacrfice and torture!
Some people see it that way, but as a matter of history, sociology, psychology and anthropology, it's not. People are assholes. Them being assholes doesn't justify oneself being one, but, as you pointed out, some people do. It's like Trump justifying weaponizing the DOJ because he claims it was weaponized against him. All JPP MAGAts beleive the same. It's immoral, but they are immoral people.

The Euros brought slavery African slaves to the New World but they didn't invent it. Slavery goes back to ancient times in the European, Asian and African continents. Denying Native American tribes warred on each other and enslaved captives is to ignore history.

The history of slavery spans many different cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. Likewise, its victims have come from many different ethnicities and religious groups. The social, economic, and legal positions of slaves have differed vastly in different systems of slavery in different times and places.[1] Slavery has been found in some hunter-gatherer populations, particularly as hereditary slavery,[2][3] but the conditions of agriculture with increasing social and economic complexity offer greater opportunity for mass chattel slavery.[4] Slavery was institutionalized by the time the first civilizations emerged (such as Sumer in Mesopotamia,[5] which dates back as far as 4000 BC). Slavery features in the Mesopotamian Code of Hammurabi (c. 1750 BC), which refers to it as an established institution.[6] Slavery was widespread in the ancient world in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Africa,[7][8][4] and the Americas.[9]
 
Your emotional attachment to me is interesting, Mattie. Why is that?

Do I remind you of your father? A more intelligent brother? What you could have been had you not slammed your head so many times against a prison toilet?

Please tell me. I'm truly curious.
You remind me of dogshit I stepped in at my cousin's house on the way from his barn to his house, and you're just about as useful.
Oh, I bet you are "curious" alright, faggot.
 
You remind me of dogshit I stepped in at my cousin's house on the way from his barn to his house, and you're just about as useful.
Oh, I bet you are "curious" alright, faggot.
Soooo.....all of the above? Wow. Sad, but wow.

What sent you to prison? Drunk driving or bar fighting?
 
Damo couldn't explain what slavery and torture he was talking about among Native Americans. I know there were some tribal conflicts but slavery and torture weren't part of it. He then took exception when I said Columbus discovered the West Indies and might not have landed in America. He said I need to stop partaking in politically biased sources. I guess I'll have to tell those textbook writers and internet historians that they aren't white-washing enough of American history.
That is simply untrue... I explained, you ignored. There was slavery, cannibalism, etc. among the natives. This pastoral perfection of the natives is a false narrative. Not every tribe was the Taino, and sometimes the Taino were victims.

Read, educate yourself, do better and stop judging based on biased nonsense.
 
In political discussions it absolutely IS justification.

History book: Europeans brought slavery to the New World
Revisionist: Yeah but the Indians had slaves too.

Professor: Many indigenous people were burned at the stake for not converting to Christianity.
Revisionist: Yeah but they had human sacrfice and torture!
You literally cannot "bring something" that already existed to somewhere else... They were more successful at it, yes... but they did not invent and bring it here.

Seriously, being Native doesn't give me a moral high ground if we go by history.

Just pretending it was ""brought here" after getting actual information to the contrary is clear nonsense and based solely in political bias.
 
You literally cannot "bring something" that already existed to somewhere else... They were more successful at it, yes... but they did not invent and bring it here.

Seriously, being Native doesn't give me a moral high ground if we go by history.

Just pretending it was ""brought here" after getting actual information to the contrary is clear nonsense and based solely in political bias.
You mean that Columbus didn't really "discover" America because of the 25M humans who were already living here?

Because, for the Euros, the Vikings already beat his Italian ass here??? Asking for a friend.
 
You mean that Columbus didn't really "discover" America because of the 25M humans who were already living here?

Because, for the Euros, the Vikings already beat his Italian ass here??? Asking for a friend.
True... He also thought he was in Asia... which isn't the subject here. Europeans did not introduce slavery to America... it was already here. It was here before the Vikings hit the shore...
 
True... He also thought he was in Asia... which isn't the subject here. Europeans did not introduce slavery to America... it was already here. It was here before the Vikings hit the shore...
Agreed. Slavery is as old as human history. The Vikings had slaves. People can be assholes. People like Siddhartha and Jesus offered a better path.

Slaves or thralls were amongst the most important commodities traded by the Vikings. They acquired slaves primarily on their expeditions to Eastern Europe and the British Isles. They could also obtain Viking slaves at home, as crimes like murder and thievery were punished with slavery. For example, a woman who stole could be punished by being forced to become her victim’s slave.

Slave trading also existed before the Viking period, but with the numerous territories that the Vikings conquered and their extensive trading networks, slavery could now operate within a system and bring them great wealth. Written sources and legal texts in particular inform us about the slave trade, but the slaves themselves have left few traces behind. However, a few archaeological discoveries have been helpful in this respect, such as burials in which slaves were forced to follow their owners in death.
 
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