Now they admit to a Quid Pro Quo...

Jarod said:
They will have one, there are less of them supporting the president behind the scenes at this point than you think. Very few have come out to publicly support Trump. Rubio, Cruz, Barrasso, Ernst, Braun, Boozman, Cassidy, Crapo, Cramer, Enzi, Daines, Fischer, Gardner, Murkowski, Collins, Portman, Romney, Rounds, Tim Scott, Sullivan, Wicker and Young have all been very very quiet or vocal against the president. A good amount of these Senators are secretly working against the President. They are scared to go public, and might not do so, but many of them are trying to find a way to sabotage him.
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I wouldn't hang your hopes on Conservatives doing the right thing. In the end, fascists and Nazis will always unite around a demagogue.

Better to go into it assuming the GOP will speedily acquit, then craft the 2020 election strategy around that sham acquittal.

The GOP is totally fucked here.
 
jbander said:
It's not the conservative voice,it's maybe because of the right wings lack of respect for whats right and wrong but a conservative voice has to exist simply because there is a massive conversation voice in this country. No matter what you call it , there always has to be balance in a Republic. One sided vote equals one sided politicians , when that happens I guarantee , there will be a monster in the house , this economy and country will collapse . Right now we are living under a right wing tax laws for the wealthy that will destroy Capitalism and in this country, if capitalism goes the country will go with it.,
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If we are keeping the moral rot of Conservatism around for the sake of "balance", then we're kidding ourselves that they a) provide balance and b) operate in good faith.
 
LV426 said:
I wouldn't hang your hopes on Conservatives doing the right thing. In the end, fascists and Nazis will always unite around a demagogue.

Better to go into it assuming the GOP will speedily acquit, then craft the 2020 election strategy around that sham acquittal.

The GOP is totally fucked here.
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I agree that is the most likely scenario.

Nobody gets to be a United States senator being politically brave and. You remain a United States senator by being a political pussy.
 
QuidProJoe said:
You obviously didn’t understand what he said. Or are purposely misrepresenting it. No. He asked them to investigate corruption tied to 2016 campaign. Not about Biden.

You are trying to conflate things.

But if you think this is an admission then Nancy has him right where she wants him and should vote right now

No need for an investigation. According to you, you have everything you need

Quick question though. In the entire history of this country have we ever had strings attached to foreign aid? If so, is that quid pro quo?
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This
 
archives said:
How can it not relate to the request for them to find dirt on Biden, the second part of do us "a favor" was, and "the other thing," interesting you are telling us Trump only what to find out about corruption but the only name he used was Biden's

And sure we have strings attached to foreign aid, but not political strings, strings attached for political purposes to benefit the person holding up the aid
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You do realize you exonerated President Trump in your second paragraph..... Right?
 
jbander said:
Stupidity at it's highest, justifying what scum bag does by the actions of someone else. It's all your hate group has to respond with now , you people are toast and think your on the a train.
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I put it in quotes. THAT is Plugs said...not me.
 
LV426 said:
I wouldn't hang your hopes on Conservatives doing the right thing. In the end, fascists and Nazis will always unite around a demagogue.

Better to go into it assuming the GOP will speedily acquit, then craft the 2020 election strategy around that sham acquittal.

The GOP is totally fucked here.
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Democrats are so funny..

So much energy on a nothing burger, have we not learned anything
 
OG Yurt said:
He asked them to investigate corruption tied to 2016 campaign.
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Which was a thinly-veiled attempt to manufacture dirt on the Democrats since this conspiracy theory was floated by Rudy Colludy after the State Department basically laughed at it.
 
Getin the ring said:
Democrats are so funny..So much energy on a nothing burger, have we not learned anything
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Just because you're too afraid to confront things doesn't mean they're "nothingburgers".

It means you are a nothingburger.

There's nothing about you that matters.

Not your life. Not your voice. Not your vote.

Nothing.

And when all this shit is over, you're going to pretend that you never had a part in any of it.
 
Hello Jarod,

Jarod said:
They will have one, there are less of them supporting the president behind the scenes at this point than you think. Very few have come out to publicly support Trump. Rubio, Cruz, Barrasso, Ernst, Braun, Boozman, Cassidy, Crapo, Cramer, Enzi, Daines, Fischer, Gardner, Murkowski, Collins, Portman, Romney, Rounds, Tim Scott, Sullivan, Wicker and Young have all been very very quiet or vocal against the president. A good amount of these Senators are secretly working against the President. They are scared to go public, and might not do so, but many of them are trying to find a way to sabotage him.
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That sounds great. Very encouraging. Where did you find this information? I'd like to verify that but when I do a search for that list of names no matches come up.
 
Jarod said:
They will have one, there are less of them supporting the president behind the scenes at this point than you think. Very few have come out to publicly support Trump. Rubio, Cruz, Barrasso, Ernst, Braun, Boozman, Cassidy, Crapo, Cramer, Enzi, Daines, Fischer, Gardner, Murkowski, Collins, Portman, Romney, Rounds, Tim Scott, Sullivan, Wicker and Young have all been very very quiet or vocal against the president. A good amount of these Senators are secretly working against the President. They are scared to go public, and might not do so, but many of them are trying to find a way to sabotage him.
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There are very few patriots left in this hate group, the politicians and the people who put them in office and still support this criminal. I say it will be a white wash. The pile of shit that they elected is a criminal and traitor to this country, so what are the people who support him to stay in power.
 
The reds are playing the only game they have left. It went from absolutely not being a quid pro quo, to well he did it but it is not impeachable. That is building in the sand. You just keep shifting what you say as the winds change. This not your last stop on this bus.
 
LV426 said:
If we are keeping the moral rot of Conservatism around for the sake of "balance", then we're kidding ourselves that they a) provide balance and b) operate in good faith.
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That isn't the point, there is a large conservative voice in this country, you can't have only one party that is then not a Republic or democracy . What are you advocating.
 
jbander said:
That isn't the point, there is a large conservative voice in this country, you can't have only one party that is then not a Republic or democracy . What are you advocating.
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What I am advocating is a complete extraction of Conservatism from society. Every aspect. Shut down Fox News. Ban Infowars. Label the GOP a domestic terrorist group. Tax churches.

What we need to do is remove Conservative voices from every aspect of government because Conservatism has spent the last 55 years trying to tear the institution of government down.

To me, that bad faith means the ideology shouldn't be given any representation or any voice in the debate. Period.

There's plenty of diversity of ideas among the Democratic Party, as we see in the debates. There already are Conservative voices in the Democratic Party with several running for President.

There's no need for a GOP or Conservative Movement for "balance". We already have balance in the Democratic Party. You don't balance democracy with fascism.
 
LV426 said:
What I am advocating is a complete extraction of Conservatism from society. Every aspect. Shut down Fox News. Ban Infowars. Label the GOP a domestic terrorist group. Tax churches.

What we need to do is remove Conservative voices from every aspect of government because Conservatism has spent the last 55 years trying to tear the institution of government down.

To me, that bad faith means the ideology shouldn't be given any representation or any voice in the debate. Period.

There's plenty of diversity of ideas among the Democratic Party, as we see in the debates. There already are Conservative voices in the Democratic Party with several running for President.

There's no need for a GOP or Conservative Movement for "balance". We already have balance in the Democratic Party. You don't balance democracy with fascism.
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I just don't think you get this, one forced party, as you suggest, by getting rid of a honest position in thinking of all countries , is no longer a democracy or Republic. This group now is a hate group, yes the basis is because of a conservative bent as taking care of the poor is a liberal position. I would never vote for a conservative, because I appose just about every aspect that they support. So yes I appose conservatism but I'll be damned if that makes me think that that way of thinking should be outlawed/ I'm a lot less into dictatorship as you're advocating then conservatism. but yes this hate group has to go, they are this countries biggest threat. On the other hand I would support rebuilding a new conservative party with both my time and money but not my vote. If they go back to operating only out of a position of hatred I'd do what I could to dump them also. It's politics.
 
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