Prices of Everyday Items Before and After the Trade War

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

That's like me saying "if MSNBC and other liberal media outlets had criticized Obama more of his supporters would have disliked him. Instead they just listened to an echo chamber of how good he's doing and are told to think that."

No it isn't like that at all. And Obama DID lose support. It is not the same at all. Obama had strong popularity upon election. (60% +) Obama paid a heavy price for getting health care reform passed. He spent political capital to get that. All the media outlets were reporting on his case, all were critical.

Look what happened to publications such as the Weekly Standard. They were originally part of the #NeverTrump movement and now they are out of business.

Like that was the only reason that biased bunch went belly up. They supported the Iraq war but it went out of popularity. They falsely attacked Deepak Chopra and had to pay a big settlement. And it's not clear the faux media outlet *ever* made any money at all. It was Murdoch's toy until he got what he wanted, the Wall Street Journal. Then it was nothing to him, dismissed, no longer supported.

With all due respect you're just as partisan as anyone. You really can't criticize others for doing exactly what you yourself do. You generally only want to hear good things about the people you support and bad things about those you don't. That's what cable news provides (as well as partisan online media).

Why are you being critical of me personally? That really makes it look like you're losing the argument so you're going personal. I haven't said anything about you. I've been talking about national issues and suddenly you're talking about me? I see that as waving the white flag on your position. Trying to deflect.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko.

The above has nothing to do with what was being discussed and that is many people in each party changing their position on tariffs and trade.

Diplomacy has EVERYTHING to do with averting wars, even trade wars.

My post was spot on.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello leaningright,

Good post explaining what I originally responded to. Desh said, “thanks to fox he gets away with it” with the implication being that fox is the only place anyone gets their news so Trump can do what he wants to. There are other news channels so if people want to see criticism of Trump they can tune into one of those. It’s crazy to think that because of fox Trump gets away with his tariffs causing higher prices. It’s reported and some are even ok with it.

That is precisely what shows how conned the Trump fans are.

He hurts them and they still support him.

He hurts the country and they still support him.

In their eyes, he can do no wrong.

They will embrace any explanation for why Trump is always right, no matter how seriously flawed.

It doesn't matter. Obama talked about meeting with Kim and conservatives had a cow. "What? He thinks his personality is going to just win over where seasoned diplomats have been unable to make any progress?" Trump goes ahead and does exactly what they were all over Obama for suggesting, and he's golden boy. Even though he produces no results and gives Kim the photo-ops to become a recognized world leader instead of the tin pot dictator he was known as. Trump handed that stature to Kim, but is he criticized? Don't make me laugh.

 

[leaningright]

Hello leaningright,



That is precisely what shows how conned the Trump fans are.

He hurts them and they still support him.

He hurts the country and they still support him.

In their eyes, he can do no wrong.

They will embrace any explanation for why Trump is always right, no matter how seriously flawed.

It doesn't matter. Obama talked about meeting with Kim and conservatives had a cow. "What? He thinks his personality is going to just win over where seasoned diplomats have been unable to make any progress?" Trump goes ahead and does exactly what they were all over Obama for suggesting, and he's golden boy. Even though he produces no results and gives Kim the photo-ops to become a recognized world leader instead of the tin pot dictator he was known as. Trump handed that stature to Kim, but is he criticized? Don't make me laugh.

But you and other anti-trumpers know this about Trump showing that he hasn’t gotten away with anything in spite of Fox News.

 

[dukkha]

Hello dukkha,
It would help if we tax the rich more.

ROFL.. surprise! I never thought you would say that!

 

[reagansghost]

ROFL.. surprise! I never thought you would say that!

do you even know what a trade imbalance actually is?

I know, stupid question

 

[Gonzomin]

But you and other anti-trumpers know this about Trump showing that he hasn’t gotten away with anything in spite of Fox News.

Trump never pays the price for what he does. He got away with alienating and abusing our European allies and embracing dictators. Who does that? He gave a tax cut to billionaires and international corporations and the rightys fell in line. He constantly churns up hate and discord,and rightys love it. His dementia is rapidly getting worse and the rightys pretend it is just Trump being Trump. Trump stole the inauguration money and so far has not answered for it. He is getting away with monetizing the presidency. He has had many nominees quit or get fired for criminal behavior. Trump has many, many openings but he rejects vetting. he goes by his large gut. Major cabinet posts are empty and several others are temps.

 

[dukkha]

do you even know what a trade imbalance actually is?

I know, stupid question

indeed it is stupid -
it's one aspect of trade that Trump is trying to "fix" with China -but there is more to do then just that

 

[katzgar]

The $15/hour minimum wage is a tax on consumer, so to speak. It's easy than Econ 101 to understand that.

I know you uneducated knuckle draggers wouldn't know this but a minimum wage and a tariff are different

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No it isn't like that at all. And Obama DID lose support. It is not the same at all. Obama had strong popularity upon election. (60% +) Obama paid a heavy price for getting health care reform passed. He spent political capital to get that. All the media outlets were reporting on his case, all were critical.

can you link me to any media source besides Fox that ever criticized Obama?.....

 

[dukkha]

Hello cawacko,



Well that's the way it works, right?

Even though Trump does so many things which go against common sense, his fans simply cannot hold him accountable. He is above criticism. Instead of criticizing the president, his fans simply toss out their ideals.

The American diplomatic corps has been decimated. Relationships which have gone back decades, through many administrations have been lost when the State Department was routed. Dedicated people who have been working with their counterparts in foreign countries for a very long time, through many administrations, both Republican and Democrats, were fired when Trump moved in. All of those long standing relationships were lost. Trump sees no value in bargaining in good faith. He bargains by ultimatum. Not only is it not working, but it will take years and decades to regain what was lost.

"The number of those with the department’s top two ranks of career ambassador and career minister — equivalent to four- and three-star generals — will have been cut in half by Dec. 1, from 39 to 19. And of the 431 minister-counselors, who have two-star-equivalent ranks, 369 remain and another 14 have indicated that they will leave soon — an 18 percent drop — according to an accounting provided by the American Foreign Service Association.

The political appointees who normally join the department after a change in administration have not made up for those departures. So far, just 10 of the top 44 political positions in the department have been filled, and for most of the vacancies, Mr. Tillerson has not nominated anyone.

...

“The United States is at the center of every crisis around the world, and you simply cannot be effective if you don’t have assistant secretaries and ambassadors in place,” said R. Nicholas Burns, a retired career diplomat who was an under secretary of state for President George W. Bush. “It shows a disdain for diplomacy.”

...

“These people either do not believe the U.S. should be a world leader, or they’re utterly incompetent,” she said. “Either way, having so many vacancies in essential places is a disaster waiting to happen.”"

Diplomats Sound the Alarm as They Are Pushed Out in Droves

outstanding..drain the swamp

 

[cawacko]

Hello leaningright,



That is precisely what shows how conned the Trump fans are.

He hurts them and they still support him.

He hurts the country and they still support him.

In their eyes, he can do no wrong.

They will embrace any explanation for why Trump is always right, no matter how seriously flawed.

It doesn't matter. Obama talked about meeting with Kim and conservatives had a cow. "What? He thinks his personality is going to just win over where seasoned diplomats have been unable to make any progress?" Trump goes ahead and does exactly what they were all over Obama for suggesting, and he's golden boy. Even though he produces no results and gives Kim the photo-ops to become a recognized world leader instead of the tin pot dictator he was known as. Trump handed that stature to Kim, but is he criticized? Don't make me laugh.

You are 100% entitled to your opinions and beliefs but just because you believe something doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. And because someone thinks or votes differently than you doesn't mean they are or were conned.

 

[CFM]

I know you uneducated knuckle draggers wouldn't know this but a minimum wage and a tariff are different

Never said they were the same. It's clear you below average nls don't understand that if a tariff can increase prices so can raising the minimum wage.

Perhaps that's why you'll never work for more than the minimum.

 

[Sailor]

You mean like not posting the name of the business I claimed to own? That would you, nigger.

What am I backing out of, boy, expecting the one that said he was going to do something to do it. Seems the two of you faggots make claims about what you'll do then never do it. I recall you saying several things you'd do. Funny thing is you've done, nor even tried to do, any of them.

You and Nomad need to get together. Two flaming faggots always talking shit with nothing to back it up.

 

[Bill]

I don't have any.

What do you think yours would think if they actually acknowledged the truth about their grandfather.

Thank God!!!

 

[Bill]

if you can't find a washing machine that doesn't have a tariff on it, then you're the one who's stupid........

Isn't that what Brezhnev used to say about shoes in the ussr??

"you can have any shoe you want, as long it's brown & ugly"..........

 

[Bill]

ROFL.. surprise! I never thought you would say that!

Ha......ha..

Can you do more than giggle about it??

The rich are now saying tax me....... Could be a sign things are not as giggly as one may think...

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Isn't that what Brezhnev used to say about shoes in the ussr??

"you can have any shoe you want, as long it's brown & ugly"..........

I don't know......is that where you spent your youth?.....

 

[CFM]

You and Nomad need to get together. Two flaming faggots always talking shit with nothing to back it up.

It appears as if you and Grumpy already got together and cornholed each other, faggot. Lot's of talk about what you'd do yet nothing but meaningless threats from you.

 

[CFM]

Thank God!!!

Don't worry, they'll be raised properly not like a the faggots you helped raise yours to be.