Some of my less learned posters need a primer on impeachable offences.

[Cypress]

your posts are pathetic. You act like the electoral college doesn't exist.
I don't know what became of your mind -you certainly refuse to use it here

we don't do referendums, we do elections, and Congress mid terms are not a POTUS election.
Tighten up your posts please

I responded to the words you actually typed, not the words you wished or imagine you typed in hindsight

The will of the people went to Hillary Clinton by 3 million votes

Trump was elected by a fluke of the EC. EC technically does not represent the will or preference of the voter. EC was designed to ensure the slaveholding oligarchies of the southern states were allowed to wield disproportionate power

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cinnabar,

Maybe they are just born sociopaths.

The Republican Party is sociopathic: If you didn't know that already, the health care bill should make it clear
Republicans have long since left normal politics behind and veered into irresponsible, sadistic misbehavior

Conservatives lack empathy for their fellow human beings. The Republican Party's hostility to the poor, the working class, the elderly, immigrants, Muslims, refugees, the homeless, the vulnerable, gays and lesbians, children, people of color -- and yes, the sick -- is not an aberration or deviation from their voters' basic desires. For those not of the right-wing tribe, a decision to strip away health care from millions of people does not make rational political sense. But for those inside the right-wing echo chamber, such a decision speaks to basic psychological and social impulses: It reinforces the demarcations separating "us" and "them," the deserving and the undeserving, the righteous and the sinful.

The Republican Party is sociopathic. As detailed by the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, exhibiting three or more of the following traits is sufficient for the diagnosis of sociopathy:

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others

Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms and obligations

Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them

Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence

Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment

Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders adds these two qualifiers:

Deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead

Organizations and communities elevate to positions of power those individuals who best embody their values. So it is no coincidence that the Republican Party's current leader, Donald Trump, exemplifies many of the traits common to sociopaths.

A lack of empathy and an embrace of sociopathy has helped to make the Republican Party in its current form largely exempt from the rules governing "normal politics." The Republican Party now represents a form of right-wing politics that has more in common with extreme religious fundamentalism than it does with post-Enlightenment rationality. In combination with a compliant American news media, gerrymandering, voter suppression, a highly effective propaganda machine, manipulation of the rules governing procedures in the House and the Senate, and a large conservative base that has been conditioned toward compliance, lies and authoritarianism...

https://www.salon.com/2017/05/06/the...make-it-clear/

Not the article in its entirety but you get the picture. So when you debate or argue with particular poster on Internet forums, now you know why they come off as heartless and soulless...because they are. And of course there are still the garden variety paid trolls and bots.

Excellent information. Would make a pertinent thread all on it's own.

 

[PoliTalker]

Our recent Nation's Test Scores are out. Only a third of students can even read.

Perhaps that is indicative of why so many need to be educated about impeachment.

 

[OldMercsRule]

In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offences that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act. HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.


So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!

Never been a conviction: Counselor. Ever ponder that? The current crop of Marxist dim wit Democrats, (the party of slavery, kkk and jim crow), have wanted to impeach Trump since the 11/2016 victory. After all he is breathin' isn't he?

FUCK DIM WIT DEMOCRATS!!!!!!! pffffffffffffffffffffffffffft...

 

[Micawber]

Hello Cinnabar,



Excellent information. Would make a pertinent thread all on it's own

.The Republican Party is sociopathic: If you didn't know that already, the health care bill should make it clear
Republicans have long since left normal politics behind and veered into irresponsible, sadistic misbehavior

Conservatives lack empathy for their fellow human beings. The Republican Party's hostility to the poor, the working class, the elderly, immigrants, Muslims, refugees, the homeless, the vulnerable, gays and lesbians, children, people of color -- and yes, the sick -- is not an aberration or deviation from their voters' basic desires. For those not of the right-wing tribe, a decision to strip away health care from millions of people does not make rational political sense. But for those inside the right-wing echo chamber, such a decision speaks to basic psychological and social impulses: It reinforces the demarcations separating "us" and "them," the deserving and the undeserving, the righteous and the sinful.

The Republican Party is sociopathic. As detailed by the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, exhibiting three or more of the following traits is sufficient for the diagnosis of sociopathy:

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others

Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms and obligations

Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them

Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence

Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment

Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders adds these two qualifiers:

Deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead

Organizations and communities elevate to positions of power those individuals who best embody their values. So it is no coincidence that the Republican Party's current leader, Donald Trump, exemplifies many of the traits common to sociopaths.

A lack of empathy and an embrace of sociopathy has helped to make the Republican Party in its current form largely exempt from the rules governing "normal politics." The Republican Party now represents a form of right-wing politics that has more in common with extreme religious fundamentalism than it does with post-Enlightenment rationality. In combination with a compliant American news media, gerrymandering, voter suppression, a highly effective propaganda machine, manipulation of the rules governing procedures in the House and the Senate, and a large conservative base that has been conditioned toward compliance, lies and authoritarianism...

https://www.salon.com/2017/05/06/the...make-it-clear/

I like this

 

[Getin the ring]

attn: "less learned posters"

need 66 votes in the Senate to remove a President,

Of course you can ceremoniously vote to impeach in the house if you'd like, and help the Republican win in the districts that the house dems live in

I'm seeing a win win here

 

[domer76]

Jarod IS a moron. Don't respond to the fool anymore, it's a complete waste of time.

He nailed it on the facts about impeachment. I watch RW morons butcher the concept throughout these threads.

Be clear. It is NOT a criminal proceeding. Most of the RW idiots post as if it were. There is no right to confront the witnesses. There is no right to even know who they are. It’s NOT a trial and criminal rules do not apply even in the Senate trial. There’s no requirement that depositions be taken in an open forum.

So, if the willfully ignorant RW Trumpanzees would get their shit together and do some homework, there would be no need to chastise them for their ignorance.

 

[domer76]

I don't bother with conversations with him or the few other trolls in here who begin the same thread
topics 10 times a day. I just give them a copy paste of a same answer each time to kill any lies they're posting.

He just kicked the collective asses of you RW morons.

 

[domer76]

No, he didn't.

No, he didn't.

No, he didn't.

Bullshit.

YALIF.

The courts cannot change the Constitution

 

[domer76]

Then why are the Democrats hiding?

The courts cannot change the Constitution

 

[domer76]

YALIFNAP.

The courts cannot change the Constitution

 

[domer76]

Again, demonstrating your extreme ignorance. Show us where the Constitution says that.

He already did, ignorant fuck.

 

[Getin the ring]

He nailed it on the facts about impeachment. I watch RW morons butcher the concept throughout these threads.

Be clear. It is NOT a criminal proceeding. Most of the RW idiots post as if it were. There is no right to confront the witnesses. There is no right to even know who they are. It’s NOT a trial and criminal rules do not apply even in the Senate trial. There’s no requirement that depositions be taken in an open forum.

So, if the willfully ignorant RW Trumpanzees would get their shit together and do some homework, there would be no need to chastise them for their ignorance.

you do know that after the house votes, probably this week that

Republicans will have right to confront the witnesses. All witnesses and they WILL know who they are, they will take depositions and everything will be done in an open forum

tell us you knew that, please tell us you are following along and not just trolling

 

[domer76]

you do know that after the house votes, probably this week that

Republicans will have right to confront the witnesses. All witnesses and they WILL know who they are, they will take depositions and everything will be done in an open forum

tell us you knew that, please tell us you are following along and not just trolling

If their rules indicate that, it’s their rules. The House sets them. Otherwise, idiot, there is no “right” to confront witnesses in the impeachment stage.

 

[Getin the ring]

If their rules indicate that, it’s their rules. The House sets them. Otherwise, idiot, there is no “right” to confront witnesses in the impeachment stage.

you can just admit you didn't know that,

no one here thinks you read anything outside of the forum and your CNN alerts anyway

 

[Darth Omar]

That’s not what the Constitution says, the Constitution gives the same standard for jackets as they do for the executive. You should learn a little more about the country you live in.

He’s right.

Unless a SCOTUS judge is being impeached the issue would be, at best, a regional matter that doesn’t involve VOTES in a national election.

For that reason, impeaching a president is a matter of utmost gravity and not a time to be ‘reciting parodies’ of the alleged offense in front of congress. Similarly, for the same reasons, it calls for absolute transparency AND due process for both sides.

The stunt Pelosi and Schiff are trying to pull would be considered a travesty by Hamilton.

 

[domer76]

you can just admit you didn't know that,

no one here thinks you read anything outside of the forum and your CNN alerts anyway

Let’s repeat, bitch.

There are only two rules in the Constitution concerning impeachment.

Article I, Section 2, Clause 5:

“The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

Article II, Section 4:

“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

That’s it, you stupid fuck. No others. It doesn’t day anything about open depositions, the right to question witness or any of the other bullshit you willfully ignorant morons spew.

 

[domer76]

Again, demonstrating your extreme ignorance. Show us where the Constitution says that.

Right here, stupid fuck.

Article II, Section 1:

“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

14th Amendment:

“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President”

 

[Jarod]

He’s right.

Unless a SCOTUS judge is being impeached the issue would be, at best, a regional matter that doesn’t involve VOTES in a national election.

For that reason, impeaching a president is a matter of utmost gravity and not a time to be ‘reciting parodies’ of the alleged offense in front of congress. Similarly, for the same reasons, it calls for absolute transparency AND due process for both sides.

The stunt Pelosi and Schiff are trying to pull would be considered a travesty by Hamilton.

Not according to the Constitution.

 

[Callinectes]

In Federalist 65, one of the principal architects of the Constitution Alexander Hamilton wrote that impeachable offenses are those that arise from the "misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust."He explains that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a common law term used to describe offenses that are "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.

Okay, so what are Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors?

As you may or not have learned in your provencal schools, the executive is not the only constitutional officer who can be impeached. Judicial officers have more often been the subject of impeachment, using the same standard laid out by the Constitution, and in those cases less than a third have been impeached due to statutorily criminal offences. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf (page 9) Interestingly, Federal Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted for, among other things,
appearing on the bench “in a state of total intoxication.” ibid. This was not a crime.

Ohhhhhh! Okay, I see now! You're laying the ground work to impeach the president of the United States for perceived offenses less serious than, say, stealing a made-in-china garden gnome? Got it, don't need no stinkin' "high crimes and misdemeanors"

President Johnson was specifically impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act, which was not a criminal statute and violation of it was not a criminal act.

HE was also impeached for criticizing Congress and questioning its legislative authority. These are not criminal acts.

HE CRITICIZED CONGRESS?? THAT DESPICABLE MONSTER!!! (As far as questioning congress's "legislative authority", in Johnson's defense, I don't think he questioned it, he just looked for ways around it)

As you can see, historical precedent illustrates, that while it appears that President Trump has committed several criminal acts, impeachment does not require such.

First, you jackasses have NO evidence "that President Trump has committed several criminal acts". Second, if you went to the rubber with this, you could turn Trump into a criminal who might actually be looking at jail time, but you won't, because you have nothing. All you're doing is making a petulant little statement that you don't like Trump because he's not one of the cool kids.

So PLEASE stop spewing your uneducated crap. Thank you!

Well, you're welcome. So I did a little reading on Johnson to educate myself. Seems he was a typical Southern jackass, vetoed the first civil rights act of 1868 in fact. Here's some of the wikipedia on him:

"Johnson implemented his own form of Presidential Reconstruction – a series of proclamations directing the seceded states to hold conventions and elections to reform their civil governments. When Southern states returned many of their old leaders, and passed Black Codes to deprive the freedmen of many civil liberties, Congressional Republicans refused to seat legislators from those states and advanced legislation to overrule the Southern actions. Johnson vetoed their bills, and Congressional Republicans overrode him, setting a pattern for the remainder of his presidency.[1] Johnson opposed the Fourteenth Amendment, which gave citizenship to former slaves. In 1866, Johnson went on an unprecedented national tour promoting his executive policies, seeking to destroy his Republican opponents.[2] As the conflict between the branches of government grew, Congress passed the Tenure of Office Act, restricting Johnson's ability to fire Cabinet officials. When he persisted in trying to dismiss Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, he was impeached by the House of Representatives, and narrowly avoided conviction in the Senate and removal from office. After failing to win the 1868 Democratic presidential nomination, Johnson left office in 1869."

Another consequence of his impeachment was a veto-proof Republican congress! So we have that to look forward to if you want to use Johnson's impeachment as a template for Trump's! Happy Halloween!

Returning to Tennessee after his presidency, Johnson sought political vindication, and gained it in his eyes when he was elected to the Senate again in 1875, making Johnson the only former president to serve in the Senate. He died five months into his term. Johnson's strong opposition to federally guaranteed rights for African Americans is widely criticized. He is regarded by many historians as one of the worst presidents in American history.