The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born
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Human cultures have had secular-based prohibitions against murder, assault, theft, and rape thousands of years before the Old Testament. It did not take a stone table from Mount Sinai for humanity broadly to be aware that crimes should be prohibited. The law code of Hammurabi dates to 2,000 BC and that is just a legal codification. The prohibitions existed culturally long before they were codified.
Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:34
Good Christian Americans?
What a hoot. You can NEVER hijack religion again and get away with it numbskulls.
What ignorance. Your false premise only applies to JEWS....as you are quoting from the old law of Moses (Leviticus 19:34). The Law of Moses was specifically for the Nation of Biblical Israel and no one else.....Gentiles were not included in the Old Law, thus the need for a New Covenant....the New Testament of Christ Jesus.
If you are going to attempt to use the scriptures for political reasons, its best to actually know and comprehend the fact that the OLD LAW was nailed to the cross of the Christ.
Before the "NEW TESTAMENT" went into effect with the last breath of the Christ on the Cross.....the Old Law applied only to the nation of Israel and the Jews who obeyed it (or attempted to obey to it).
The Gentiles, That's US PEOPLE who are other than JEWS...were without a covenant or law to follow, they followed the natural law. "Wherefore remember, that ye in the past being Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision (the Jews) in the flesh made by the hands. That at that time were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, AND STANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD." -- Eph. 2:11-12.
Guess What? We as Christians are commanded to separate the secular from the religious and obey the laws of the land. "Let every soul (to include Christians) be subject to the governing authorities...………" -- Romans 13:1-4
God even allows Capital punishment as He has authorized the Government to "...….not bear the sword in vain...…"
But...you act like God has a problem with enforcing IMMIGRATION LAWS?
The actual words of the Holy Scriptures......something you were not INDOCTRINATED WITH on your journey of PUBLIC EDUCATION? SNOWFLAKE.
But....if you are declaring yourself bound by the Law of Moses. Do you support abortion on demand....and the spilling of innocent blood? Check that non-life in the womb, see if its blood carries the same DNA signature (exactly) as its mother host. What does the God of the Old Testament say about spilling innocent blood, bearing false testimony (lying)…..etc.,?
"These six things doth the Lord (God) hate: Yea, seven are an abomination: A proud Look.....A lying tongue....hands that shed innocent blood.....a heart that deviseth wicked imaginations...feet that are swift to run into mischief.....bearing false witness.....sowing discord." -- Proverbs 6:6-19
Looks like you have just applied for all 7 things that GOD hates and finds to be abominable.
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Eagle_Eye
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Simple answer most proudly announce the fact, in fact if I'm not mistaken you have denied in the past there is a God.
I'm not saying there aren't hypocrites on both sides. The one thing I have noticed that both sides post excerpts claiming that it means exactly X. What people fail to realize is the bible was written by men recounting their memories or passed down lore of events. So the bible is really a history book and is open to interpretation. It also recommends how one should act and behave. That is why I rarely if ever quote the bible.
This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles but we are not just a Christian nation. As we embrace all religions.
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It's sad that you represent Him so poorly. That's no way to repay a Friend.
Excellent post. Thanks, Ralph.What ignorance. Your false premise only applies to JEWS....as you are quoting from the old law of Moses (Leviticus 19:34). The Law of Moses was specifically for the Nation of Biblical Israel and no one else.....Gentiles were not included in the Old Law, thus the need for a New Covenant....the New Testament of Christ Jesus.
If you are going to attempt to use the scriptures for political reasons, its best to actually know and comprehend the fact that the OLD LAW was nailed to the cross of the Christ.
Before the "NEW TESTAMENT" went into effect with the last breath of the Christ on the Cross.....the Old Law applied only to the nation of Israel and the Jews who obeyed it (or attempted to obey to it).
The Gentiles, That's US PEOPLE who are other than JEWS...were without a covenant or law to follow, they followed the natural law. "Wherefore remember, that ye in the past being Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision (the Jews) in the flesh made by the hands. That at that time were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, AND STANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD." -- Eph. 2:11-12.
Guess What? We as Christians are commanded to separate the secular from the religious and obey the laws of the land. "Let every soul (to include Christians) be subject to the governing authorities...………" -- Romans 13:1-4
God even allows Capital punishment as He has authorized the Government to "...….not bear the sword in vain...…"
But...you act like God has a problem with enforcing IMMIGRATION LAWS?
The actual words of the Holy Scriptures......something you were not INDOCTRINATED WITH on your journey of PUBLIC EDUCATION? SNOWFLAKE.
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When liberals think they have caught others in a contradiction, but are just too stupid to comprehend any part of what's happening.
Problem 1: No one is advocating mistreating illegal immigrants, just like no one is advocating mistreating bank robbers by insisting that we enforce our bank robbery laws (idiot).
Problem 2: The Bible also says to follow the laws of man ('render unto Caesar...').
Problem 3: People being foreign and in your territory is nothing like them illegally breaking into your country while spitting on your flag and greedily exploiting your laws and people.
Problem 4: The Bible treats people who hold the gates open for foreign invasions against their own people (Democrats) as the ultimate Judas.
Try again, genius.
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Yes, you are mistaken. As you know I'm a pagan. I am not an atheist.
You are exactly right. The Bible is not a magical, holy book written by god. It's a collection of stories, anecdotes, teachings, poetry (some breathtakingly beautiful), history, and traditions. There are multiple contradictions throughout it, and it is virtually impossible to follow all the rules w/o breaking some other rule.
I was really impressed by Stretch's "weaponizing the Bible" phrase. She is right -- that book has been weaponized for thousands of years, and used to justify the most heinous and hideous of human cruelty to other humans. It was used to take your ancestral homelands away from your people, and to kill them when they resisted, and imprison their children in the soul-destroying places called residential schools. It was used to launch the Crusades, the deadly echoes of which are still loud today. It was used to burn men and women like me at the stake. It was used to send slavers to Africa and other continents to capture the heathens. It was and still is used today to justify discrimination and maltreatment of LGBT ppl.
She's right. It's been totally weaponized.
Jesus *was* a man, a human man, born of woman.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Now if only that actually held up in a discussion.
Always.
Eagle_Eye
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First off sport I am referring to all the commandments in the Bible not just the ten Moses brought down from the mountain. As to the Hammurabi code it was a beginning for the ten commandments but it was not a fair or balanced set of laws such as the commandments.
Triggered much? Pun intended.
How did you family weather the storm? Hopefully, not well.
Darn. Told you.
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"Sport"...seriously??
You literally said "the ten commandments"....not "the whole bible". You cannot retroactively attempt to change what you said.
I was raised Christian, so I am not coming at this with an aethist agenda, "sport".
The world would be totally fine without the bible. Life would have gone on. That really should not trigger you.
The parables in the bible about virtue, morality, and ethics are all found in various permutations in all of the world's great philosophical and religious traditions, from Zoroastrianism, to Judaism, to Confucianism and Taoism, the the philosophers of ancient Greece and Rome, to the Veda, Buddhist, and Jain traditions of India, and pretty much universally throughout almost all of human culture.
Eagle_Eye
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Wrong shithead ( you didn't like sport) if I had meant the Ten Commandments I would have specified the ten commandments. But clearly you have to be spoon fed.
If there is no God then how do you explain the above. I guess the entire world just evolved to worship a supreme being that is called different names by different societies. You have proved my point without even realizing it.
New Testament does require a belief in Jesus as the son of the father - here to complete the covenant that God will not damn all mankind to eternal death
"Whoever beleives in me ..etc etc/"
Hinduism gets reincarnation, but no promises of anything like salavation unless following the rules to Godhead.
So there are proscribed requirements to "get off the wheel" ( Buddhism/Hindu) just as there are for Xtians to salvation.
Speaking forvmyself I never did understand the contemporary loathing of many on the left for the Bible/Xtians -but Buddhism and Hinduism doesn't get the same levels of pushback.
More "ignorance" concerning the scriptures. Its true that Jesus was a man, born of a woman, born under the law (of Moses), yet it took GOD INCARNATE in the form of a man (Jesus the Christ, the Messiah of prophecy) to walk this human life void of any sin in order to fulfill the requirements of the old covenant (the ultimate sacrifice -- that mirrored Abrahams offer of faith to sacrifice his begotten Son...God the Father then gave His only begotten Son in order that all men "might" be saved).....that made that contract/covenant between man and God null and void, ushering in a new covenant between man and God as prophesied under the Old Law.
Thus....you are declaring that you like the fake religion...ISLAM...do not accept the divine nature of the CHRIST....you are according to the Apostle of the Christ (JOHN....an ANTI-CHRIST....only one of MILLIONS that exist upon the face of the earth, that have existed since the actual times of the Christ in the 1st century. THE NEW TESTAMENT OF CHRIST IS BASED NOT UPON PHYSICAL SACRIFICE WHICH ONLY CARRIES SIN OVER FROM ONE SEASON UNTIL THE NEXT.....BUT THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS AND IS BASED UPON THE GRACE OF GOD IN PRONOUCNING ALL THAT ACCEPT THE CONDITIONS LAIN OUT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT....FREE FROM SIN BECAUSE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON HAS PAID FOR THE SINS OF ALL MANKIND WITH HIS SACRIFICE ON THE CROSS OF HUMANITY.
That coming new testament/covenant was prophesied in the OLD LAW. Jer. 32:32-36 Clearly the scripture declare that the NEW LAW/COVENANT will be unlike the OLD LAW that required animal sacrifices...etc.,
Its much like a last will and testament.....in order to receive the benefits of that will one must abide by the terms of that will....then the gift is passed on to the next generation. That gift to mankind? Having the CHRIST as an advocate (legal representative) standing between your sin and GOD. There are no more OLD TESTAMENT requirements.....only those eternal truths from the old law that was carried over to the New Testament are today enforced in the LAW OF GRACE. All 10 of the commandments are carried forth...save one, the requirement of SABBATH WORSHIP. Thus there only 9 basic terms of the New Will/Covenant. The eternal righteous commandment of GOD. Which can be summed up via the most important.....LOVE YOUR GOD and have no other GODS before Him. If you do this, you will follow the other righteous commandments out of LOVE for righteousness.
All the above is not "OPINION"....its documented in the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures. Those scriptures read the same for everyone....some simply attempt to twist and divide that word of truth, bringing their own souls to destruction.
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