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Stretch said:
I just explained. Crucifixion was the Roman way. It was simply the means of His physical death according to the law of the land.
No one TOOK His life. It was already prophesied that the Savior would come and GIVE His life freely as the final sacrifice for sin.
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No, not all who were sentenced to death died by cruxifixction. It was reserved for certain criminals, to make a statement, don’t cross Rome.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Except of course if the law forbids you offering hospitality to strangers, aid to the poor, medicine for the sick -- then screw what Jesus said. lol

I'm sure you agree with these arrests.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/04/justice/florida-feeding-homeless-charges/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/scott-daniel-warren-migrants-food-water

You all might as well admit it. You don't love and follow Christ. You worship Trump.

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Yes, I agree with arresting those who break the law.
 
Stretch said:
I just explained. Crucifixion was the Roman way. It was simply the means of His physical death according to the law of the land.
No one TOOK His life. It was already prophesied that the Savior would come and GIVE His life freely as the final sacrifice for sin.
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No, not all who were sentenced to death died by cruxifixction. It was reserved for certain criminals, to make a statement, don’t cross Rome.
 
dukkha said:
Jesus Did Not Speak Out On Current Political Issues

There is nothing recorded in the New Testament about Jesus Christ speaking out against any of the political issues of His day. Nothing in His teachings gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement.

He Refused To Be Made King

In fact, Jesus refused to lead any political movement. He resisted when the people wanted to make Him king.

Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself (John 6:15).

Not To Tell Others He Was Messiah

When Jesus acknowledged that he was the Messiah, he did not allow his disciples to publicly tell others.

Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ (Matthew 16:20).

He Told No One To Tell Of His Transfiguration

Jesus told His disciples that they were to tell no one about his Transfiguration.

As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead (Matthew 17:9).

Jesus Withdrew From Confrontation

Jesus also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers.

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, warning them not to tell who he was (Matthew 12:15,16).

Jesus Did Not Incite The People Against Rome

Although Jesus did not incite the people against Rome, this was one of the charges brought before Pilate by the religious leaders.

But they insisted, "He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here" (Luke 23:5).

Jesus Refused To Get Entangled In A Political Debate

Jesus refused to get into a debate about paying taxes to Rome.

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away (Matthew 22:15-22).

Jesus Behavior Was In Contrast To False Messiahs

Jesus behavior was in contrast to some false Messiahs that preceded him. Scripture records some of these failed attempts.

For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered (Acts 5:36-38).

Luke also records.

Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness? (Acts 21:38).

Jesus' Kingdom Is Not Of This World System

Jesus kingdom was not of this world system. Jesus told Pontius Pilate

Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, my kingdom is not of this realm." Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice" (John 18:36,37).

Summary

Although Jesus was the promised Messiah, the one who could rightfully rule over Israel, He refused to become involved in any political issue of his day. We see this in a number of ways. Jesus refused to be made king; He told His disciples not to tell others that He was the Messiah and He also withdrew from confrontation with the religious rulers. In addition, He never incited the people against Rome. All of this was in contrast to false Messiahs. The reason He acted this way has to do with the nature of His kingdom - it was not of this world system.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_789.cfm
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It's so simple isn't it? Well written piece. Thank-you. :cool:
 
Stretch said:
It's so simple isn't it? Well written piece. Thank-you. :cool:
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It's not simple at all because Christ lived as both the Son of God and a man.
Usually you look at events/teaching thru these 2 perspectives -some time they meld, most times they do not
 
Phantasmal said:
Actually, the Jews disagree with your interpretation of their scripture, but that’s another discussion.
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Of course they do. The Pharisees knew Christ was the Messiah. They couldn't have that because it would have
meant the end of their jobs and all the money they withheld from the widows and orphans. It would have meant
no more long flowing expensive purple robes, status and their coveted front row seats in the synagogue.
They couldn't handle God showing mercy, grace and forgiveness to poor lowly Gentiles. They wanted to keep
their privileged class with all the trimmings.
So, they pushed the responsibility of killing Jesus off to Rome and put the blood on THEIR hands.
 
Stretch said:
Of course they do. The Pharisees knew Christ was the Messiah. They couldn't have that because it would have
meant the end of their jobs and all the money they withheld from the widows and orphans. It would have meant
no more long flowing expensive purple robes, status and their coveted front row seats in the synagogue.
They couldn't handle God showing mercy, grace and forgiveness to poor lowly Gentiles. They wanted to keep
their privileged class with all the trimmings.
So, they pushed the responsibility of killing Jesus off to Rome and put the blood on THEIR hands.
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That’s ridiculous, the Pharisees did not believe in the Christian concept of the Savior, they believed in the Davidic Messiah. They thought Jesus was a blasphemer.
 
dukkha said:
It's not simple at all because Christ lived as both the Son of God and a man.
Usually you look at events/teaching thru these 2 perspectives -some time they meld, most times they do not
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Christ was God in the flesh. It was God's plan that he would come in the flesh in order to be the
final blood sacrifice for sin to all who believed. When He left the earth, He sent His Spirit to comfort,
teach and empower us to love Him with all our heart, mind and soul.
With the natural mind, you're right that this doesn't seem simple but, "with God all things are possible."
God even said that he would use the simple things to confound the wise.
Faith and a renewed mind makes understanding it easier.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s ridiculous, the Pharisees did not believe in the Christian concept of the Savior, they believed in the Davidic Messiah. They thought Jesus was a blasphemer.
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They knew He was the promised messiah for the Jews and the world as prophesied from their Scriptures. (especially Isaiah)
They didn't believe it right away, but they knew by the time they had him killed they didn't want to be seen as the ones who killed him.
 
Bill said:
NO, that is not true....... Sure, some do, just like some trump fans/conservatives hate them...

Some ppl just gotta hate, you know that........
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Funny how those who hate us come running when they are in need and we don't ask questions of those we help.
 
Stretch said:
They knew He was the promised messiah for the Jews and the world as prophesied from their Scriptures. (especially Isaiah)
They didn't believe it right away, but they knew by the time they had him killed they didn't want to be seen as the ones who killed him.
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The Pharisees never believed Jesus was the Messiah, maybe a few converted; the Jews rejected Jesus, it’s why his followers started to preach to the Gentiles.
 
Stretch said:
Christ taught us (the Church, the body of believers) to care for the widows and orphans. We do that.
It's not up to the government to do.
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Churches turned to the government to help when their coffers could no longer support the demand. Modern Christian churches give very little of their collections to the poor, mega churches are the worst.
 
Stretch said:
Our country has laws, You want lawlessness here?
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Have you ever heard of compassion? Compassion & mercy, not just the law..

There is nothing in the law, biblical or American jurisprudence that denies or forbids it..:thinking:

Matt 18:21-35
18:21 Then Peter came to him and said, “Lord, how many times must I forgive my brother who sins against me? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “Not seven times, I tell you, but seventy-seven times! 23 “For this reason, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his slaves. 24 As he began settling his accounts, a man who owed ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25 Because he was not able to repay it, the lord ordered him to be sold, along with his wife, children, and whatever he possessed, and repayment to be made. 26 Then the slave threw himself to the ground before him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will repay you everything.’ 27 The lord had compassion on that slave and released him, and forgave him the debt. 28 After he went out, that same slave found one of his fellow slaves who owed him one hundred silver coins. So he grabbed him by the throat and started to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ 29 Then his fellow slave threw himself down and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will repay you.’ 30 But he refused. Instead, he went out and threw him in prison until he repaid the debt. 31 When his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were very upset and went and told their lord everything that had taken place. 32 Then his lord called the first slave and said to him, ‘Evil slave! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me! 33 Should you not have shown mercy to your fellow slave, just as I showed it to you?’ 34 And in anger his lord turned him over to the prison guards to torture him until he repaid all he owed. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to you, if each of you does not forgive your brother from your heart.”
 
Phantasmal said:
Churches turned to the government to help when their coffers could no longer support the demand. Modern Christian churches give very little of their collections to the poor, mega churches are the worst.
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I've already stated in here in an earlier thread of my experience with a Mega church. I won't go over it again.
The problem is that you think every single Christian church behaves the exact same way. They don't.
If you eat at a diner and get lousy food & service, do you never ever eat at any diner again in your life? Of course not.
You just try a few others till you find a good one. :cool:
 
Stretch said:
I've already stated in here in an earlier thread of my experience with a Mega church. I won't go over it again.
The problem is that you think every single Christian church behaves the exact same way. They don't.
If you eat at a diner and get lousy food & service, do you never ever eat at any diner again in your life? Of course not.
You just try a few others till you find a good one. :cool:
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Those few good ones cannot support the poor. There are too many. It’s a great idea, but it’s not realistic, anymore.
 
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