This is what happens when you let Greens anywhere the levers of power!

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Following the hysteria in the aftermath of Fukushima, the Greens forced Merkel to phase out nuclear power by 2022. So because Germany is truly up shit street due to the catastrophic Energiewende policy, they are now busily opening new mines to dig for lignite, the dirtiest coal available.

Jamie Spry

January 13, 2018 2:17 pm
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DEAR German “Greens”, who played a major government and activist role in phasing out (CO2-free) nuclear energy, via Fukushima hysteria, and implementing the economic and environmental disastrous #Energiewende, I repeat to you again – “careful what you wish for”!

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...llage-demolished-to-make-way-for-coal-mining/

 

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Germany is seriously in the shit and desperate to develop a reliable base load. You do have to ask how a country like that which prides itself on efficiency and order could get something so wrong.



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Sometimes Dems are absolutely clueless.

Where are the jobs? They in in China.

Why are all the jobs in China? Because China doesn't have an EPA.

 

[sear]

Partisans project. It's a compulsion for them.
So I don't doubt they'll project their partisanship on me, and assume I'm protecting the Greens party.

But my intention here is not defend one political party against another.

Instead, I merely defend truth from lies.

In this case the posted topic is:

This is what happens when you let Greens anywhere the levers of power!

But the Greens party has grown both within Germany, and well beyond it.

Has such thing happened anywhere else?
If not, it looks rather more like bias confirmation than valid accusation.

One example does not a trend make. We can't extrapolate from a single data point.

"Sometimes Dems are absolutely clueless.
Where are the jobs? They in in China.
Why are all the jobs in China? Because China doesn't have an EPA." hvilleherb

partisan twaddle

 

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In the meantime, German consumers pay some of the highest rates in the world for their free energy, the have to pay people to take electricity off their grid during sunny, windy days, and all the standby power producers i.e. those that keep the lights on at night, are threatening insolvency.

 

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Partisans project. It's a compulsion for them.
So I don't doubt they'll project their partisanship on me, and assume I'm protecting the Greens party.

But my intention here is not defend one political party against another.

Instead, I merely defend truth from lies.

In this case the posted topic is:

But the Greens party has grown both within Germany, and well beyond it.

Has such thing happened anywhere else?
If not, it looks rather more like bias confirmation than valid accusation.

One example does not a trend make. We can't extrapolate from a single data point.

partisan twaddle

So says the man that aspires to be a seer yet can't even spell the word correctly. What is happening in Germany should be a salutory warning to others that wish to emulate the disastrous Energiewende policy.

I notice that you prefer to engage in your usual trademark waffle rather than address the actual substance, partisan twaddle is your raison d'être.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/01/22/germanys-green-energy-policy-disaster/

https://www.thegwpf.com/new-study-germanys-energiewende-threatens-to-become-economic-disaster/

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In the meantime, German consumers pay some of the highest rates in the world for their free energy, the have to pay people to take electricity off their grid during sunny, windy days, and all the standby power producers i.e. those that keep the lights on at night, are threatening insolvency.

Yes precisely, somebody that actually gets it rather than the usual partisan waffle from the likes of Sear.

Last year, CO2 emissions amounted to around 916 million tonnes. “This represents a slight increase compared to the previous year.” The actual target for 2016 was 812 million tonnes. So in actual fact, in spite of all their much vaunted renewables, emissions have actually increased and they have ended up with a hugely expensive electricity supply network that is propped up by imports from other countries.

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Germany is seriously in the shit and desperate to develop a reliable base load. You do have to ask how a country like that which prides itself on efficiency and order could get something so wrong.



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Germany is a shithole.

 

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Germany is a shithole.

The war was over a long time ago and we have far more reason to hate Germans than you. I was born a few years after the war in the East End, we used to play in streets with bombed out buildings, unexploded bombs and rats. You claim to like history, well here is some for you. Nobody shows any anymosity towards Germans anymore, that's why I found amazing that a Millenial that has no direct experience of war should be so het up about them.

http://www.eastlondonhistory.co.uk/londons-east-end-blitz/

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The war was over a long time ago and we have far more reason to hate Germans than you. I was born a few years after the war in the East End, we used to play in streets with bombed out buildings, unexploded bombs and rats. You claim to like history, well here is some for you. Nobody shows any anymosity towards Germans anymore, that's why I found amazing that a Millenial that has no direct experience of war should be so het up about them.

http://www.eastlondonhistory.co.uk/londons-east-end-blitz/

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Sadly Germans are so in thrall to Islam that they show this kind of advert on TV, truly crazy indoctrination.

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Yes precisely, somebody that actually gets it rather than the usual partisan waffle from the likes of Sear.

Last year, CO2 emissions amounted to around 916 million tonnes. “This represents a slight increase compared to the previous year.” The actual target for 2016 was 812 million tonnes. So in actual fact, in spite of all their much vaunted renewables, emissions have actually increased and they have ended up with a hugely expensive electricity supply network that is propped up by imports from other countries.

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Thing is I do support green energy to an extent, but at the consumer end. The focus has been on developing it for large scale production that can be taxed and controlled by the government instead of promoting it on small scale use that actually saves consumers money instead of costing them even more. In a world increasingly driven by consumerism, the focus should be on reducing costs so people have more money to spend on other things wherein the saved money will actually circulate through the economy instead of being sucked straight into corporate and government coffers. If they could bring the cost of whole house solar down to about $5K from $30K, and it saved people significant sums of money to do so, you would see far more end-user systems and the whole issue would be a lot more politically palatable across the spectrum. Lord forbid, however, the government do anything that saves people money, especially if it costs them money or loosens their grip around people's throats.

 

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Thing is I do support green energy to an extent, but at the consumer end. The focus has been on developing it for large scale production that can be taxed and controlled by the government instead of promoting it on small scale use that actually saves consumers money instead of costing them even more. In a world increasingly driven by consumerism, the focus should be on reducing costs so people have more money to spend on other things wherein the saved money will actually circulate through the economy instead of being sucked straight into corporate and government coffers. If they could bring the cost of whole house solar down to about $5K from $30K, and it saved people significant sums of money to do so, you would see far more end-user systems and the whole issue would be a lot more politically palatable across the spectrum. Lord forbid, however, the government do anything that saves people money, especially if it costs them money or loosens their grip around people's throats.

Yes so I am in principle but not when it actually ends up like the ludicrous situation in Germany. Wind power cannot operate without dispatchable fossil backup. It's simple enough but apparently beyond the ken of eco-warriors.

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Yes so I am in principle but not when it actually ends up like the ludicrous situation in Germany. Wind power cannot operate without dispatchable fossil backup. It's simple enough but apparently beyond the ken of eco-warriors.

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With one exception. I think it is Norway that has managed to use excess power to pump water up hill into reservoirs to be used as standby electric generation through hydroelectric when needed, though they are a small country and not everyone is going to be able to do that. I agree that green energy largely is a free rider at this point and that it cannot exist without either nuclear or fossil generation as standby power. The problem with nuclear standby, however, is those systems cannot be turned on and off at a flip of a switch at will primarily due to heat. all the pipes and such have to be brought to the right temperature and held there for at least a day, sometimes longer, to avoid a temperature differential within them that can cause them to fail.

 

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With one exception. I think it is Norway that has managed to use excess power to pump water up hill into reservoirs to be used as standby electric generation through hydroelectric when needed, though they are a small country and not everyone is going to be able to do that. I agree that green energy largely is a free rider at this point and that it cannot exist without either nuclear or fossil generation as standby power. The problem with nuclear standby, however, is those systems cannot be turned on and off at a flip of a switch at will primarily due to heat. all the pipes and such have to be brought to the right temperature and held there for at least a day, sometimes longer, to avoid a temperature differential within them that can cause them to fail.

That's why I said dispatchable. Gas, and coalition to a lesser extent, qualify but nuclear doesn't. Hydropower is also but it helps to have mountains and rivers. Chile is planning to do something similar along its long coastline with solar and sea water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ountain-reservoirs-power-three-provinces.html

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" I think it is Norway that has managed to use excess power to pump water up hill into reservoirs to be used as standby electric generation through hydroelectric " K #13

It's been in the U.S. for decades as well.
In the previous millennium I surveilled such a plant on the Connecticut River in Massachusetts.

 

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It's been in the U.S. for decades as well.
In the previous millennium I surveilled such a plant on the Connecticut River in Massachusetts.

Yeh we know it's not particularly new but it is only recently becoming more attractive as an option, given that the topography is suitable. There has been a pumped-storage power station inside a mountain in Wales since the 80s!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station

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That's why I said dispatchable. Gas, and coalition to a lesser extent, qualify but nuclear doesn't. Hydropower is also but it helps to have mountains and rivers. Chile is planning to do something similar along its long coastline with solar and sea water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ountain-reservoirs-power-three-provinces.html

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Wasn't aware Chile was doing as well, so thanks for the info. I recall seeing a headline in the last few weeks that someone wanted to try it here in the US, but I never got back to reading the article so I am not sure who or where.

 

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Wasn't aware Chile was doing as well, so thanks for the info. I recall seeing a headline in the last few weeks that someone wanted to try it here in the US, but I never got back to reading the article so I am not sure who or where.

Chile, has many natural reservoirs along its coastline and limitless sea water. Combine that with solar in the Atacama Desert and you may just have something.

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Chile, has many natural reservoirs along its coastline and limitless sea water. Combine that with solar in the Atacama Desert and you may just have something.

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As long as you can keep the saline out of the freshwater tables. California should be doing this with death valley just to create extra energy to supply desalination.

 

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As long as you can keep the saline out of the freshwater tables. California should be doing this with death valley just to create extra energy to supply desalination.

The Atacama Desert is the driest place on the planet, so no fresh water or people.

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