Unvaccinated Causing New Surge in Daily Death Toll

Taichiliberal said:
Wrong, as the information in my links demonstrate.

What gives? FACTS, my friend, FACTS. I've posted several "Covid Follies" threads with FACTS from the CDC, FDA, NIH themselves that STATE how the "vaccines" (experimental gene therapy, actually) do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity. It's not a question of working "all the time", but NOT working to what was initially touted. Hell, "break though" infections are increasing in people WHO INITIALLY DID NOT TEST POSITIVE, BUT GOT A SHOT AS A PRECAUTION. And for the love of God please stop denying the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test stated for posterity that it was NOT designed to detect infections in people.

Yes, I agree that neither side should try to make this "political"....but you and I both know that is impossible in the current social climate.

And once more, for the cheap seats...sadly, this is still relevant:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqQIY7J0fQ
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Are you ill?

The Hill article you linked states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and provides the following example of that rarity. "On Wednesday, Illinois reported 714 breakthrough hospitalizations and 180 deaths, representing 2.58 percent of COVID-19 deaths since data collection began in January."

If the CDC had been saying that the "'vaccines' do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity" instead of what they have been saying, that the vaccines do prevent infection and lessen severity, would millions of Americans have gotten the vaccine and millions more now be eager to get the booster? The CDC could not have been clearer in saying the vaccines work, and saying it repeatedly.

Would add that I don't need to "stop denying" (even for the love of God) "the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test...blah blah blah", since I've never mentioned the matter.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It looks like Delta is burning itself out, it will be mostly gone by the end of the year.

What's next? If we dont get a version that completely evades the current shit quality vaccines we might get some respite.
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Delta is almost done virusing lol.

Who knows what’s next. I’d say no one knows.

But what’s going on here is the hesitants are being scapegoated for the failure of the vaccines *to effectively eliminate transmission* in *and from* the vaccinated population. It’s why no one talks about eradication any more—it’s off the table, because the vaccines function more like prophylactic treatments than vaccines.

Consequently, none of the public health ‘experts’ want to talk about herd immunity. Why? Because if the vaccines functioned like actual vaccines we would be at herd immunity or at least so close to it that COVID would be winding down. If not months ago.

The Trump vax was supposed to be the end of it, remember? We thought it would be over by Spring because there was no reason for it not to be. But here we are still slogging along.
 
Darth Omar said:
Delta is almost done virusing lol.

Who knows what’s next. I’d say no one knows.

But what’s going on here is the hesitants are being scapegoated for the failure of the vaccines *to effectively eliminate transmission* in *and from* the vaccinated population. It’s why no one talks about eradication any more—it’s off the table, because the vaccines function more like prophylactic treatments than vaccines.

Consequently, none of the public health ‘experts’ want to talk about herd immunity. Why? Because if the vaccines functioned like actual vaccines we would be at herd immunity or at least so close to it that COVID would be winding down. If not months ago.

The Trump vax was supposed to be the end of it, remember? We thought it would be over by Spring because there was no reason for it not to be. But here we are still slogging along.
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Didn't know you possessed this expertise.

Your fellow experts have said it isn't known what the vaccination level is that enables herd immunity. Something we might know by now were there fewer naysayers sounding off.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Wrong, as the information in my links demonstrate.

What gives? FACTS, my friend, FACTS. I've posted several "Covid Follies" threads with FACTS from the CDC, FDA, NIH themselves that STATE how the "vaccines" (experimental gene therapy, actually) do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity. It's not a question of working "all the time", but NOT working to what was initially touted. Hell, "break though" infections are increasing in people WHO INITIALLY DID NOT TEST POSITIVE, BUT GOT A SHOT AS A PRECAUTION. And for the love of God please stop denying the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test stated for posterity that it was NOT designed to detect infections in people.

Yes, I agree that neither side should try to make this "political"....but you and I both know that is impossible in the current social climate.

And once more, for the cheap seats...sadly, this is still relevant:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqQIY7J0fQ
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The information in your links says no such thing. So you are either lying, unable to comprehend what you read, or both.
 
martin said:
Didn't know you possessed this expertise.

Your fellow experts have said it isn't known what the vaccination level is that enables herd immunity. Something we might know by now were there fewer naysayers sounding off.
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Don’t need to be an expert to know that the ‘vaccines’ don’t stop transmission. They’re good at cutting down hospitalizations and deaths but they don’t stop transmission. And since they don’t stop transmission, it’s debatable whether the vax’d should be added to the herd immunity number. Or not.

If you can still be infected post-vax, you aren’t really immune, right? You’re just protected from severe symptoms. And even that isn’t perfect. We know that natural immunity is decidedly more robust than vax immunity so it may well be that our natural immunity numbers need to creep up before we see something like herd immunity.

This is where the Max Vax campaign is wrong headed. It’s scary, but we should allow the virus to move through the low risk populations and target the at-risk populations with the vax. This would protect the people that need protected—and protect the hospitals, and allow the young-healthy population to add to our herd immunity numbers.

But that would make too much damn sense and it would cut into Big Pharma’s margins. So it’s Max Vax all the way. They’ll have us jabbing our house cats next.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Wrong, as the information in my links demonstrate.

What gives? FACTS, my friend, FACTS. I've posted several "Covid Follies" threads with FACTS from the CDC, FDA, NIH themselves that STATE how the "vaccines" (experimental gene therapy, actually) do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity. It's not a question of working "all the time", but NOT working to what was initially touted. Hell, "break though" infections are increasing in people WHO INITIALLY DID NOT TEST POSITIVE, BUT GOT A SHOT AS A PRECAUTION. And for the love of God please stop denying the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test stated for posterity that it was NOT designed to detect infections in people.

Yes, I agree that neither side should try to make this "political"....but you and I both know that is impossible in the current social climate.

And once more, for the cheap seats...sadly, this is still relevant:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkqQIY7J0fQ
Click to expand...

Learn English. Speaking Liberal isn't going to cut it. Learn what 'fact' means. It does not mean 'proof' or 'Universal Truth'.

The government is lying to you. False authority fallacies.
 
martin said:
Are you ill?

The Hill article you linked states that breakthrough cases are "rare" and provides the following example of that rarity. "On Wednesday, Illinois reported 714 breakthrough hospitalizations and 180 deaths, representing 2.58 percent of COVID-19 deaths since data collection began in January."

If the CDC had been saying that the "'vaccines' do NOT prevent infection or lessen severity" instead of what they have been saying, that the vaccines do prevent infection and lessen severity, would millions of Americans have gotten the vaccine and millions more now be eager to get the booster? The CDC could not have been clearer in saying the vaccines work, and saying it repeatedly.

Would add that I don't need to "stop denying" (even for the love of God) "the FACT that the man who invented the PCR test...blah blah blah", since I've never mentioned the matter.
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Paradox V.
 
Darth Omar said:
Delta is almost done virusing lol.

Who knows what’s next. I’d say no one knows.

But what’s going on here is the hesitants are being scapegoated for the failure of the vaccines *to effectively eliminate transmission* in *and from* the vaccinated population. It’s why no one talks about eradication any more—it’s off the table, because the vaccines function more like prophylactic treatments than vaccines.

Consequently, none of the public health ‘experts’ want to talk about herd immunity. Why? Because if the vaccines functioned like actual vaccines we would be at herd immunity or at least so close to it that COVID would be winding down. If not months ago.

The Trump vax was supposed to be the end of it, remember? We thought it would be over by Spring because there was no reason for it not to be. But here we are still slogging along.
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There is no 'delta virus', except in the minds of Democrats. They will keep making up 'variants' and 'variants of variants (not possible)' until doomsday. The Church of Covid is a fundamentalist style religion.
 
Darth Omar said:
Don’t need to be an expert to know that the ‘vaccines’ don’t stop transmission. They’re good at cutting down hospitalizations and deaths but they don’t stop transmission. And since they don’t stop transmission, it’s debatable whether the vax’d should be added to the herd immunity number. Or not.

If you can still be infected post-vax, you aren’t really immune, right? You’re just protected from severe symptoms. And even that isn’t perfect. We know that natural immunity is decidedly more robust than vax immunity so it may well be that our natural immunity numbers need to creep up before we see something like herd immunity.

This is where the Max Vax campaign is wrong headed. It’s scary, but we should allow the virus to move through the low risk populations and target the at-risk populations with the vax. This would protect the people that need protected—and protect the hospitals, and allow the young-healthy population to add to our herd immunity numbers.

But that would make too much damn sense and it would cut into Big Pharma’s margins. So it’s Max Vax all the way. They’ll have us jabbing our house cats next.
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The vaccines do reduce transmission.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19


"Full vaccination reduced infection—regardless of symptoms—by 90 percent, and a single dose reduced infection by 80 percent."

See also:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-herd-immunity-variants-1.6104364
 
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martin said:
The vaccines do reduce transmission.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19


"Full vaccination reduced infection—regardless of symptoms—by 90 percent, and a single dose reduced infection by 80 percent."

See also:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-herd-immunity-variants-1.6104364
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They don’t stop transmission.

The poliomyelitis vax came close enough to stopping transmission that it effectively eradicated Polio in this country. The ‘vaccines’ leak so much [enough that Fauci could wants boosters] that they are more accurately described as prophylactic treatments.
 
Darth Omar said:
They don’t stop transmission.

The poliomyelitis vax came close enough to stopping transmission that it effectively eradicated Polio in this country. The ‘vaccines’ leak so much [enough that Fauci could wants boosters] that they are more accurately described as prophylactic treatments.
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out of a hundred breakthrough cases, how many die?

the vaccine is 95% effective at preventing infections to begin with

what the fuck is wrong with you, oh vaccinated one?
 
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Darth Omar said:
Delta is almost done virusing lol.

Who knows what’s next. I’d say no one knows.

But what’s going on here is the hesitants are being scapegoated for the failure of the vaccines *to effectively eliminate transmission* in *and from* the vaccinated population. It’s why no one talks about eradication any more—it’s off the table, because the vaccines function more like prophylactic treatments than vaccines.

Consequently, none of the public health ‘experts’ want to talk about herd immunity. Why? Because if the vaccines functioned like actual vaccines we would be at herd immunity or at least so close to it that COVID would be winding down. If not months ago.

The Trump vax was supposed to be the end of it, remember? We thought it would be over by Spring because there was no reason for it not to be. But here we are still slogging along.
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It is worse than a slog...this pandemic has been weaponized for political purposes.

I think it is safe to say that all of our ancestors had more sense than to do that.
 
Lionfish said:
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They refused to get the shots that they are giving to the people. The shots are protecting us from the Trump virus. The nurses have to get the vaccine or stay home. The hospital tells us that the shots could save our lives and the people working there are refusing to get them. The message that sends is even clear enough for rights to understand if they try.
 
Nordberg said:
They refused to get the shots that they are giving to the people. The shots are protecting us from the Trump virus. The nurses have to get the vaccine or stay home. The hospital tells us that the shots could save our lives and the people working there are refusing to get them. The message that sends is even clear enough for rights to understand if they try.
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Nurses that have worked for fully a year and a half dealing with the China virus on a daily basis decide they don't want to get the shot. They seem to know a hell of a lot more than you. Go to your room and stay there until you are called.
 
Lionfish said:
Nurses that have worked for fully a year and a half dealing with the China virus on a daily basis decide they don't want to get the shot. They seem to know a hell of a lot more than you. Go to your room and stay there until you are called.
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And more than a few of them are pretty pissed off about it. And NOT just the hesitant workers.

2022 can’t get here fast enough.
 
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