US Senate moves to punish Saudi primitives.

kudzu said:
So do the Israelis and we GIVE them weapons.
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I haven't heard of any Israeli Reporters going to their own Embassy and being cut up and dismembered by a bone saw.
(You know, the more you try to spin this, the more you expose yourself to the entire Forum as being a Saudi Spokesperson)
 
kudzu said:
So do the Israelis and we GIVE them weapons.
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And we should stop that shit as well, agreed. But we won't, because we are not what we claim to be.

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.
 
Jack said:
Yemen. The US should extract itself from Yemen and the Saudi genocide there. Let Khashoggi's death have some kind of lasting meaning.
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The Saudis have shown a lot of restraint in Yemen.. Have you forgotten the bombers, the attack on the USS Cole and the various jihadi groups who have relocated to Yemen?
 
Jack said:
I haven't heard of any Israeli Reporters going to their own Embassy and being cut up and dismembered by a bone saw.
(You know, the more you try to spin this, the more you expose yourself to the entire Forum as being a Saudi Spokesperson)
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I don't want to see Saudi Arabia turn into Syria or Libya or Iran or Iraq. They have worked too hard to move steadily forward for the past 70 years.
 
kudzu said:
The Saudis have shown a lot of restraint in Yemen.. Have you forgotten the bombers, the attack on the USS Cole and the various jihadi groups who have relocated to Yemen?
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hahahahahahahahaha ...

God that is rich. :)

"The devastating war in Yemen has gotten more attention recently as outrage over the killing of a Saudi dissident in Istanbul has turned a spotlight on Saudi actions elsewhere. The harshest criticism of the Saudi-led war has focused on the airstrikes that have killed thousands of civilians at weddings, funerals and on school buses, aided by American-supplied bombs and intelligence."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-war-yemen.html
 
kudzu said:
I don't want to see Saudi Arabia turn into Syria or Libya or Iran or Iraq. They have worked too hard to move steadily forward for the past 70 years.
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You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting these people.
 
Jack said:
hahahahahahahahaha ...

God that is rich. :)

"The devastating war in Yemen has gotten more attention recently as outrage over the killing of a Saudi dissident in Istanbul has turned a spotlight on Saudi actions elsewhere. The harshest criticism of the Saudi-led war has focused on the airstrikes that have killed thousands of civilians at weddings, funerals and on school buses, aided by American-supplied bombs and intelligence."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-war-yemen.html
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It is tempting to see a certain poetic justice in the Houthis’ vengeful rage against Saudi Arabia. Their movement was born, three decades ago, largely as a reaction to Riyadh’s reckless promotion of its own intolerant strain of Salafi Islam in the Houthi heartland of northwestern Yemen. Since then, the Saudis — with the help of Yemen’s former ruler, Ali Abdullah Saleh — have done all they could to corrupt or compromise every political force strong enough to pose a threat. The Houthis are a result: a band of fearless insurgents who know how to fight but little else. They claim a divine mandate, and they have tortured, killed and imprisoned their critics, rights groups say, just as their predecessors did. They have recruited child soldiers, used starvation as a weapon and have allowed no dissenting views to be aired in the media. They have little will or capacity to run a modern state, and at times have seemed unwilling or unable to negotiate for peace. But this, too, is partly a measure of Saudi Arabia’s fatal arrogance toward its neighbor, a long-term policy of keeping Yemen weak and divided.

That policy may now be bringing the Saudis’ worst fears to life. Houthi officials say they have studied the Viet Cong’s tactics, and routinely refer to the war as the quagmire that will bring down the House of Saud. “We expect this war to be very long,” I was told by the de facto Houthi foreign minister, Hussain al-Ezzi. “It is a war of bone-breaking — they break us or we break them.”

Soon after the first round of bombs began falling in Yemen in late March 2015, a svelte, meek-looking man stepped up to a lectern in Washington. “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia launched military operations in Yemen,” said Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador. For most Americans, the Saudis’ choice of Washington as the place to announce their first major war in decades held little meaning. In Yemen, people mentioned it all the time. They saw it as a deliberate signaling of sinister complicity between America and its Saudi client, or even of some larger imperialist design. Jubeir emphasized in his speech that the kingdom had consulted “very closely and very intensely with many of our allies and partners around the world, and in particular the United States,” which was providing intelligence, targeting assistance and logistics.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/31/magazine/yemen-war-saudi-arabia.html
 
kudzu said:
The Saudis have shown a lot of restraint in Yemen.. Have you forgotten the bombers, the attack on the USS Cole and the various jihadi groups who have relocated to Yemen?
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For war-ravaged Yemen, few expect ‘game changer’ in Saudi-led airstrikes after end of U.S. refueling
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7ded04d8fac_story.html?utm_term=.ce283da7c1e8

The Yemen war is the world's worst humanitarian crisis, UN says
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/middleeast/yemen-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis-un-intl/index.html

Yemen’s Escalating Currency Collapse and the Slow Death of Its People
https://www.albawaba.com/news/yemen’s-escalating-currency-collapse-and-slow-death-its-people-1194832

THE TRAGEDY OF SAUDI ARABIA’S WAR
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ast/saudi-arabia-war-yemen.html?module=inline

America is considered by the rest of the world to be the greatest threat to peace on the planet, we're are a death cult with a military and no end to rationalizations for what we do in the world.
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
You "Care" about them, or you want the Ninja Turtles there on the border to protect us?
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I think the Ninja Turtles should help the California fire victims. I have He Hates America on ignore, saw you quote his comment and wanted it known that I care
 
kudzu said:
It is tempting to see a certain poetic justice in the Houthis’ vengeful rage against Saudi Arabia. Their movement was born, three decades ago, largely as a reaction to Riyadh’s reckless promotion of its own intolerant strain of Salafi Islam in the Houthi heartland of northwestern Yemen. Since then, the Saudis — with the help of Yemen’s former ruler, Ali Abdullah Saleh — have done all they could to corrupt or compromise every political force strong enough to pose a threat. The Houthis are a result: a band of fearless insurgents who know how to fight but little else. They claim a divine mandate, and they have tortured, killed and imprisoned their critics, rights groups say, just as their predecessors did. They have recruited child soldiers, used starvation as a weapon and have allowed no dissenting views to be aired in the media. They have little will or capacity to run a modern state, and at times have seemed unwilling or unable to negotiate for peace. But this, too, is partly a measure of Saudi Arabia’s fatal arrogance toward its neighbor, a long-term policy of keeping Yemen weak and divided.

That policy may now be bringing the Saudis’ worst fears to life. Houthi officials say they have studied the Viet Cong’s tactics, and routinely refer to the war as the quagmire that will bring down the House of Saud. “We expect this war to be very long,” I was told by the de facto Houthi foreign minister, Hussain al-Ezzi. “It is a war of bone-breaking — they break us or we break them.”

Soon after the first round of bombs began falling in Yemen in late March 2015, a svelte, meek-looking man stepped up to a lectern in Washington. “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia launched military operations in Yemen,” said Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador. For most Americans, the Saudis’ choice of Washington as the place to announce their first major war in decades held little meaning. In Yemen, people mentioned it all the time. They saw it as a deliberate signaling of sinister complicity between America and its Saudi client, or even of some larger imperialist design. Jubeir emphasized in his speech that the kingdom had consulted “very closely and very intensely with many of our allies and partners around the world, and in particular the United States,” which was providing intelligence, targeting assistance and logistics.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/31/magazine/yemen-war-saudi-arabia.html
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It's time to have a North Yemen/South Yemen. Everybody gets what they want.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
At a bare fuggin' minimum, Jeebus.
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When I was there in 2000 the Saudis had already moved all their villages back from the Yemen border by 20 kilometers and begun developing a security wall on the border..

I am sure they are at their wits end.. They have spent billions on humanitarian aid to Yemen building hospitals, schools, clinics and colleges and investing in job creation.. But, the Houthis, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram have other plans fighting each other, the Yemeni people and attacking the Saudis.
 
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