US soldiers bulldoze Palestinian village.

Operation cast lead. Nuff said....

Well maybe not. No country can abide random shelling of dumb bombs and vest suicide, but if your enemy is doing that and throwing rocks, you may want to sue for peace. Not dbl down on fail and humanitarian violations. It’s asymmetrical. The Palestinians clearly have the will to die for their cause. That forces Israel to commit war crimes to defeat them.
 
moon said:
That's nonsense. Please demonstrate your sources of the nonsense for rebuttal.
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I mean it's common knowledge. The first was the UN partition that Israel accepted and the Palestinians rejected. Despite the fact that the land Israel was to receive was at least 30-40% uninhabitable desert. And then there are numerous examples of the Israelis offering gaza, the west bank, east Jerusalem as their capital, all of Jerusalem as an international city, right of return, and so on and so forth.

So you're obviously coming from a place of ignorance and emotion in this debate. You probably don't care about any of the actual facts or about the truth, but here's some links.

https://www.theisraelproject.org/is...peace-to-palestinians-and-then-being-rejected

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/98517/31-opportunities-statehood-squandered-favor-david-meir-levi

http://www.mitchellbard.com/articles/palstate.html

https://www.quora.com/How-often-have-the-Palestinians-been-offered-their-own-state

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Defending your country isn't a war crime. There are videos of Hamas paying Palestinian teens and children to incite violence and risk their lives. Of they die, Hamas uses it as a way to attack Israel through the press. There are videos of this. There is documented evidence released by Egypt, one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the world.
Micawber said:
Operation cast lead. Nuff said....

Well maybe not. No country can abide random shelling of dumb bombs and vest suicide, but if your enemy is doing that and throwing rocks, you may want to sue for peace. Not dbl down on fail and humanitarian violations. It’s asymmetrical. The Palestinians clearly have the will to die for their cause. That forces Israel to commit war crimes to defeat them.
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United76America said:
I mean it's common knowledge. The first was the UN partition that Israel accepted and the Palestinians rejected. Despite the fact that the land Israel was to receive was at least 30-40% uninhabitable desert. And then there are numerous examples of the Israelis offering gaza, the west bank, east Jerusalem as their capital, all of Jerusalem as an international city, right of return, and so on and so forth.

So you're obviously coming from a place of ignorance and emotion in this debate. You probably don't care about any of the actual facts or about the truth, but here's some links.

https://www.theisraelproject.org/is...peace-to-palestinians-and-then-being-rejected

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/98517/31-opportunities-statehood-squandered-favor-david-meir-levi

http://www.mitchellbard.com/articles/palstate.html

https://www.quora.com/How-often-have-the-Palestinians-been-offered-their-own-state

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And yet they keep building new settlements in disputed land. They can do it, having the money and technology. If you keep pushing and pushing expect push back. It has all the trappings of colonialism, segregation, exploitation etc that makes it, despite every effort, impossible to be resolved. And the irony. Oh the irony.

Wasn’t the plo better? Israel needs a unified leader to negotiate with. That required them to have a state, a country and a vote i their own country.
 
United76America said:
Defending your country isn't a war crime. There are videos of Hamas paying Palestinian teens and children to incite violence and risk their lives. Of they die, Hamas uses it as a way to attack Israel through the press. There are videos of this. There is documented evidence released by Egypt, one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the world.

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I know this. And the colonies used guerrila tactic to defeat the British. That is going to happen and continue. Your enemy is radical for s reason, they don’t have your jets or your nukes or your trained soldiers. So they will do what any cornered animal will do, and that is anything they can. So you have to step up and wear the badge of privilege and civilization and make things better for them and their people and pay the price. There is no alternative to that other than being a Roman’s and salting Carthage
 
Micawber said:
And yet they keep building new settlements in disputed land. They can do it, having the money and technology. If you keep pushing and pushing expect push back. It has all the trappings of colonialism, segregation, exploitation etc that makes it, despite every effort, impossible to be resolved. And the irony. Oh the irony.

Wasn’t the plo better? Israel needs a unified leader to negotiate with. That required them to have a state, a country and a vote i their own country.
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Lol Palestinians do vote. They have their own government. It just so happens their government is HAMAS. Also, calling it disputed territory would be akin to Canada invading Michigan, claiming it's theirs, and then saying the US is pushing into "disputed" land.

The land is Israel. Its within the country of Israel. Its Israeli territory. They've left it to try to appease the Palestinians. But then the Palestinians just put rockets there and launch them at Israeli schools and hospitals.

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Micawber said:
I know this. And the colonies used guerrila tactic to defeat the British. That is going to happen and continue. Your enemy is radical for s reason, they don’t have your jets or your nukes or your trained soldiers. So they will do what any cornered animal will do, and that is anything they can. So you have to step up and wear the badge of privilege and civilization and make things better for them and their people and pay the price. There is no alternative to that other than being a Roman’s and salting Carthage
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Israel has paid the price. Hamas runs half of the Palestinians government. Up until like a year ago the first line of the charter of Hamas stated Israel must be destroyed.

You cannot make things better for a peoples who government does not recognize your right to exist.

That said, arabs living in Israel are afforded all of the same rights as Israelis, as are women and gays. 80% of arabs say they would prefer the Israeli government (pew research).

The Israelis give the Palestinians food and water and other things (tires, meds, etc.) The Palestinian people poll as wanting peace. Their government and Hamas does not allow that.

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United76America said:
Lol Palestinians do vote. They have their own government. It just so happens their government is HAMAS.
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Nonsense. HAMAS won the elections in 2006 but a US-financed coup attempt resulted in division with Fatah being promoted by the West. Abbas was a puppet president who remained in office even after the expiry of his term . He remains there still. Are you a nonsense specialist ?

Also, calling it disputed territory would be akin to Canada invading Michigan, claiming it's theirs, and then saying the US is pushing into "disputed" land.
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Nonsense. The Occupied Territories ( the Palestinian state ) are only ' disputed ' by the Izraelis who occupy it illegally. The rest of the world recognizes that the territories are Palestinian.

The land is Israel. Its within the country of Israel. Its Israeli territory. They've left it to try to appease the Palestinians. But then the Palestinians just put rockets there and launch them at Israeli schools and hospitals.
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Nonsense. Palestine was divided by the United Nations by way of Resolution 181 which all Arab states rejected. Izrael's declaration of independence was unilateral and many states rejected it. Only protection by the US at the UN security council keeps the criminal neoZionist entity afloat.

Your post displays complete ignorance of any truth.
Let's see if you are indeed stupid or just another malevolent and prosemitic troll- like maggot.
 
moon said:
Nonsense. HAMAS won the elections in 2006 but a US-financed coup attempt resulted in division with Fatah being promoted by the West. Abbas was a puppet president who remained in office even after the expiry of his term . He remains there still. Are you a nonsense specialist ?



Nonsense. The Occupied Territories ( the Palestinian state ) are only ' disputed ' by the Izraelis who occupy it illegally. The rest of the world recognizes that the territories are Palestinian.



Nonsense. Palestine was divided by the United Nations by way of Resolution 181 which all Arab states rejected. Izrael's declaration of independence was unilateral and many states rejected it. Only protection by the US at the UN security council keeps the criminal neoZionist entity afloat.

Your post displays complete ignorance of any truth.
Let's see if you are indeed stupid or just another malevolent and prosemitic troll- like maggot.
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Nonsense[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] you're wrong on every front. You're funny. I think you've responded to every person here with name calling. You only resort to name calling if you don't actually have any way to defend your position [emoji23][emoji23]

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moon said:
Most of your links don't work and the one that does is merely opinion. The opinion of an idiot, by the look of it.
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Jesus christ. I'm sorry you don't know how to use the internet. That's not my problem. Citing actual meetings between Palestinian and Israeli leadership and the outcomes of the offers and meetings isn't opinion.

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moon said:
Show us where Izrael recognizes Palestine's right to exist.
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I've literally already posted the links showing the offers Israel has made for Palestinian statehood. I've posted them in direct response to you. So you already have them. If you're too retarded to click on them that's not my problem.

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United76America said:
Nonsense[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] you're wrong on every front. You're funny. I think you've responded to every person here with name calling. You only resort to name calling if you don't actually have any way to defend your position [emoji23][emoji23]

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I can defend my position with proven facts and legal backing. You have neither.
You are simply trying to promote a fascist state which is in breach of more UN resolutions than every other state on earth combined.
 
United76America said:
I've literally already posted the links showing the offers Israel has made for Palestinian statehood. I've posted them in direct response to you. So you already have them. If you're too retarded to click on them that's not my problem.

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You are a liar. And a troll.

Stick around. Lying prosemitic trolls are very good for the Palestinian cause.
 
moon said:
I can defend my position with proven facts and legal backing. You have neither.
You are simply trying to promote a fascist state which is in breach of more UN resolutions than every other state on earth combined.
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I think you just proved why the UN is obsolete. But regardless, I've shown the many instances in which Israel have offered an independent state to Palestinians. You've shown nothing. Enjoy your hatred.

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United76America said:
Jesus christ. I'm sorry you don't know how to use the internet. That's not my problem. Citing actual meetings between Palestinian and Israeli leadership and the outcomes of the offers and meetings isn't opinion.

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Camp David, for example, was a farce. The Palestinians were not even provided with a map.

You are spouting prosemitic nonsense. Even Barak's minister condemned it;

Finally, and contrary to Dershowitz’s claim, there was no ‘second map’ or map of a ‘final proposal at Camp David’. Indeed, it is explicitly stated in a note beside the map published in Ross’s memoirs that ‘no map was presented during the final rounds at Camp David.’ Given all this, it is not surprising that Barak’s foreign minister, Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was a key participant at Camp David, later admitted: ‘If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David as well.’

http://www.irmep.org/mw_letter.htm
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