Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

Ichabod Stain said:
he's feigning ignorance..

it's not worth my time.

he's self-defeating.
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Now I'm pretending not to know the things you know, lol. The obvious problem? You know nothing, you are the one pretending to know what you're talking about. I've proved that much to any mentally stable person that reads this ridiculous exchange.

You could actually try explaining yourself with the evidence you used to come up with your batshit crazy ideas. Remember, words mean things, so try your best to use words as they are defined. It happens to be how functional humans communicate effectively.

Of course you won't, because you can't, because you're a nutcase. Nonetheless, this is my last attempt to explain to you where you're failing and why you've become a leading member on my list of JPP's mentally deranged. That's actually quite an achievement, so it's not all bad. Congrats!!
 
Ichabod Stain said:
yes you're a fucking moron.

feigning ignorance isn't an argument, butt-stuff'n.

:truestory:
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Running to google to find a different word for pretending isn't helping you. It just makes you look even dumber and paranoid and insane and hopelessly delusional. Trust me, I'm not pretending not to know what you're talking about. How could I? You haven't told me.
 
Tobytone said:
Now I'm pretending not to know the things you know, lol. The obvious problem? You know nothing, you are the one pretending to know what you're talking about. I've proved that much to any mentally stable person that reads this ridiculous exchange.

You could actually try explaining yourself with the evidence you used to come up with your batshit crazy ideas. Remember, words mean things, so try your best to use words as they are defined. It happens to be how functional humans communicate effectively.

Of course you won't, because you can't, because you're a nutcase. Nonetheless, this is my last attempt to explain to you where you're failing and why you've become a leading member on my list of JPP's mentally deranged. That's actually quite an achievement, so it's not all bad. Congrats!!
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are vaccines mandated?
 
Tobytone said:
Running to google to find a different word for pretending isn't helping you. It just makes you look even dumber and paranoid and insane and hopelessly delusional. Trust me, I'm not pretending not to know what you're talking about. How could I? You haven't told me.
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are vaccines mandated?
 
Ichabod Stain said:
are vaccines mandated?
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Is this you telling me your problem? Are you going to ask 20 dumbass questions before you tell me. Is this it? Vaccines? This is your proof or your beef? Are you talking about now or in the past or in some alternate universe?

Maybe you're not aware of this: In the United States people are not forced by threat of punishment like arrest, jail, or coercion to get vaccinated against their will. They never have been. (Unless you're still trapped in the Biden years.)

You must be talking about what some States do if you want to send your kids to public school, I guess. Of course I have no idea because you're an idiot that can't come out with your fucking problem. If it's schools, I think people are crazy for sending their kids to public schools these days, but if they must and they don't want vaccines there are and always have been ways around it.

Here's the problem, you're a moron. It's really that simple. I'm not interested in educating you on the hundred different ways you're full of shit. Sorry, I tried.
 
Tobytone said:
Is this you telling me your problem? Are you going to ask 20 dumbass questions before you tell me. Is this it? Vaccines? This is your proof or your beef? Are you talking about now or in the past or in some alternate universe?

Maybe you're not aware of this: In the United States people are not forced by threat of punishment like arrest, jail, or coercion to get vaccinated against their will. They never have been. (Unless you're still trapped in the Biden years.)

You must be talking about what some States do if you want to send your kids to public school, I guess. Of course I have no idea because you're an idiot that can't come out with your fucking problem. If it's schools, I think people are crazy for sending their kids to public schools these days, but if they must and they don't want vaccines there are and always have been ways around it.

Here's the problem, you're a moron. It's really that simple. I'm not interested in educating you on the hundred different ways you're full of shit. Sorry, I tried.
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are vaccines mandated?
 
Tobytone said:
Is this you telling me your problem? Are you going to ask 20 dumbass questions before you tell me. Is this it? Vaccines? This is your proof or your beef? Are you talking about now or in the past or in some alternate universe?

Maybe you're not aware of this: In the United States people are not forced by threat of punishment like arrest, jail, or coercion to get vaccinated against their will. They never have been. (Unless you're still trapped in the Biden years.)

You must be talking about what some States do if you want to send your kids to public school, I guess. Of course I have no idea because you're an idiot that can't come out with your fucking problem. If it's schools, I think people are crazy for sending their kids to public schools these days, but if they must and they don't want vaccines there are and always have been ways around it.

Here's the problem, you're a moron. It's really that simple. I'm not interested in educating you on the hundred different ways you're full of shit. Sorry, I tried.
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Companies that wanted their employees to stay healthy mandated vaccinations.
 
Nordberg said:
Companies that wanted their employees to stay healthy mandated vaccinations.
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Here's the thing, I have no problem with companies that mandate vaccines. It's the company owner's right, after all, it's his company. I have the right not to work at that company. I can work at a company that doesn't require vaccines if they'll have me. If every company decided to mandate vaccines, I can start my very own company with whatever rules I want. It's how things should work in a free country.

Of course, I don't know what vaccines we're discussing in this case. I don't believe Nordy does either. To him it's not important. Why? He's a moron, a drone, a radical fool who would inject whatever his puppet masters say he should, period. After all, they just want people to be healthy.

Do you think he actually knows anything at all about each and every vaccine? Again, notice he didn't ask. It's the first thing that anyone who's not controlled by ideology would ask. Nordy takes his position for political reasons not because people of science say so. I have no problem with many vaccines. That said, I know very little about many of the vaccines currently being given to infants. I know very little about the current versions of Covid vaccines, but before I'd take a shot, I definitely will. I might choose to opt out of one or more, as I should always be able to. Nordy? Apparently, he's all in without asking a single question and thinks everyone should do as he does.

Do you think he would say the same if the Trump administration announced a new mandatory vaccine that 'science' determined is necessary for staying healthy and will be mandated for all federal employees? Not a chance.
 
Tobytone said:
Here's the thing, I have no problem with companies that mandate vaccines. It's the company owner's right, after all, it's his company. I have the right not to work at that company. I can work at a company that doesn't require vaccines if they'll have me. If every company decided to mandate vaccines, I can start my very own company with whatever rules I want. It's how things should work in a free country.

Of course, I don't know what vaccines we're discussing in this case. I don't believe Nordy does either. To him it's not important. Why? He's a moron, a drone, a radical fool who would inject whatever his puppet masters say he should, period. After all, they just want people to be healthy.

Do you think he actually knows anything at all about each and every vaccine? Again, notice he didn't ask. It's the first thing that anyone who's not controlled by ideology would ask. Nordy takes his position for political reasons not because people of science say so. I have no problem with many vaccines. That said, I know very little about many of the vaccines currently being given to infants. I know very little about the current versions of Covid vaccines, but before I'd take a shot, I definitely will. I might choose to opt out of one or more, as I should always be able to. Nordy? Apparently, he's all in without asking a single question and thinks everyone should do as he does.

Do you think he would say the same if the Trump administration announced a new mandatory vaccine that 'science' determined is necessary for staying healthy and will be mandated for all federalmployees? Not a chance.
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You take your position based on what right-wingers say. They are anti-science. Yet you think I am being led astray by scientists and medical professionals. What Trumpian logic that is,
The correlation between vaccines and longer and healthier lives for the people is undeniable.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4151739/ So to be an expert means you have to know all vaccines? There are many available and in use. Like most of you,, the easily led, your vaccine distrust sprung out of crazy people who you somehow think know more than CDC-trained professionals.
 
Nordberg said:
You take your position based on what right-wingers say. They are anti-science. Yet you think I am being led astray by scientists and medical professionals. What Trumpian logic that is,
The correlation between vaccines and longer and healthier lives for the people is undeniable.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4151739/ So to be an expert means you have to know all vaccines? There are many available and in use. Like most of you,, the easily led, your vaccine distrust sprung out of crazy people who you somehow think know more than CDC-trained professionals.
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Perfect libtard response. The anti-science pro-propaganda drone says I'm anti-vaccine and anti-science, lol. I've always loved science and love to read about what great scientist have learned. It's always been an interest of mine. I've watched the left go from many being scientist to a bunch of ideologues doing the worst thing any scientist could ever do, start with the answer. Forget the fact that Nordy missed the plot, he's obviously got the best answers available in the scientific community. He's listening to trained professionals at the CDC. I'm proud of him. I fully support his right to follow whoever he wants. You can't hold a few lies and a little bad advice against them forever. They are probably mostly right, now. I have no problem with Nordy taking their advice.

The fact is I never said I was anti-vaccine. Not even close, but dumbass Nordy sees things like all morons on the left see, things that don't exist. He also knows so much that ain't so. It's an epidemic on the left. It's Dunning-Kruger every day on JPP and Nordy is king dumbass at the moment. He's arguing with shadow, talking correlations like a confused chimp. Like always, Nordy completely missed the point and jumped on what he knows best, libtard talking points.

Nordy, if you need help figuring out the debate, I'll come back later. Today has been a great day for America and a bad day for you idiots, so I'm busy enjoying that right now. No worries, if you ask nicely, I'll get to it.
 
Tobytone said:
Perfect libtard response. The anti-science pro-propaganda drone says I'm anti-vaccine and anti-science, lol. I've always loved science and love to read about what great scientist have learned. It's always been an interest of mine. I've watched the left go from many being scientist to a bunch of ideologues doing the worst thing any scientist could ever do, start with the answer. Forget the fact that Nordy missed the plot, he's obviously got the best answers available in the scientific community. He's listening to trained professionals at the CDC. I'm proud of him. I fully support his right to follow whoever he wants. You can't hold a few lies and a little bad advice against them forever. They are probably mostly right, now. I have no problem with Nordy taking their advice.

The fact is I never said I was anti-vaccine. Not even close, but dumbass Nordy sees things like all morons on the left see, things that don't exist. He also knows so much that ain't so. It's an epidemic on the left. It's Dunning-Kruger every day on JPP and Nordy is king dumbass at the moment. He's arguing with shadow, talking correlations like a confused chimp. Like always, Nordy completely missed the point and jumped on what he knows best, libtard talking points.

Nordy, if you need help figuring out the debate, I'll come back later. Today has been a great day for America and a bad day for you idiots, so I'm busy enjoying that right now. No worries, if you ask nicely, I'll get to it.
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You loved science, therefore the right is not anti-science. Can't you understand that whaa is wrong with that? Logic is a foreign language to the right. You are not the right, just a tiny speck in Trump's army.
None of your claims about scientists are real.They were beyond politics and doing their jobs until Trump tried to defame them. Same for government workers. Taking a government job makes people feel connected and spurs them to treat the job with respect. There is s sense of responsibility that hits them.
 
Nordberg said:
You loved science, therefore the right is not anti-science. Can't you understand that whaa is wrong with that? Logic is a foreign language to the right. You are not the right, just a tiny speck in Trump's army.
None of your claims about scientists are real.They were beyond politics and doing their jobs until Trump tried to defame them. Same for government workers. Taking a government job makes people feel connected and spurs them to treat the job with respect. There is s sense of responsibility that hits them.
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Wow, you're a dumbass. What the hell are you talking about? I just told you I loved science, moron. Was I supposed to write a full paper dissecting how stupid your comment was about the right being anti-science? Is that really necessary? Are you genuinely that stupid? Seriously, I understand why you idiots keep throwing that line out there, but I never actually thought you were retarded enough to believe it yourself. How about you prove your moronic statement instead? You're the one making the claim. And I do not mean mindlessly repeating the mantra you've been trained to chant, such as 'you're anti-vaccine' or 'you don't know the latest biology that teaches there are many genders,' lol. I mean actual, concrete examples of 'the right' denying real science.

I already know exactly what I'll get in response. It will be the left's tired greatest hits, the same garbage they've been parroting forever, starting with their favorite '97% of scientists agree.' There's a top-ten list of these slogans that drones like you memorized years ago. That's all I'll get. Nordy will not provide a single example of actual settled science that 'the right' denies. Instead he'll trot out examples of scientific dogma pushed by researchers who begin with the predetermined answers right after cashing the check, then pretend they possess scientific certainty when no such certainty exists. These are claims that have never been rigorously proven using the actual scientific method. That's my prediction. Let's see if I'm right.

Then we have your ironclad proof about government workers, lol. Excellent work. You really built an airtight case there. How could anyone possibly dispute evidence that strong? Where does one even begin with a moron who knows so much that simply isn't so? A basic lesson in human nature? No, that entire concept is completely foreign to this idiot.

I know, maybe I won't bother at all. As much as I appreciate the advice found in the good book, I admittedly struggle to follow it at times. If I did, I probably would not last very long around here. That advice is never throw pearls to swine, roughly speaking. It means I should not waste my time trying to educate a loser who deliberately chooses ignorance and actively flees from wisdom. That's you. I might take that route with this one. After all, I'd have to start at the very root of your problems, and I do not care enough about you to bother.
 
27 million Americans, almost 9 percent of the population, are without medical coverage.
We pay 4 or more times what other countries do
We get worse results as a people. Our medical care is at the bottom of the world's health ratings
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I just read a long list of medical execs making over 20 million a year.
The profits from our system are incredible, and the hospitals and providers will fight to the death to keep making that kind of money. On a personal level ,the majority of bankruptcies have a medical component involved.
If you want to switch jobs, you have to consider the gaps in coverage you will face. If you want to start a business, you have to buy your own insurance at high rates. You have to think about healthcare for employees. Another great expense.
You will compete in a world where your competition will not have to hire a staff to take care of health insurance. They will not have to pay health insurance premiums.
There is nothing to recommend what we are doing.
 
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