US steel drops plan for $1.5 billion plant

T. A. Gardner said:
Straw maybe. It already is allowed for low strength use in things like curbs and such...
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I think they used it in the roadway they built in town. It feels like driving on a washboard in my daily driver and rattles my teeth in my Cobra!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Corporations are increasingly Woke, arguing that America Sucks!
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Specifically, MULTINATIONAL corporations (iow, Demonkkkrat allies).

Corporations themselves aren't the problem. There are many good corporations out there. The problem is multinational corporations (such as Delta Airlines, Coca Cola, Twitter, Google, Facebook, etc). They do not like capitalism because under capitalism they do not have control over financial outcomes. Capitalism breeds competition, and they do not like nor want any competition. They do not want a free market; they want a controlled market where they are in control. They pay off their allies in government (both Democrats and Republicans alike) to do their bidding.

Multinationals are proponents of communism, globalism, and Wall Street [think "ruling class" and Gates/Rockefeller/etc]. They are enemies of capitalism, nationalism, and Main Street [think "working class" and other people like you and I].
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Rebar in the US is manufactured to ASTM A615 among other specifications. It is stamped to show the grade, etc., of it (Size is in 1/8th's of an inch so #4 rebar is 1/2" diameter for example)

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The biggest problem is imported rebar. Chinese made in particular cannot be trusted to meet the spec it claims to be made to. It's a big enough problem that the Chinese government is finally beginning to crackdown on manufacturers there to improve quality because of building and structural failures in China.
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City code determines the specs but it doesn't matter to China made Trump ties because he doesn't pay his contractors for their work.
 
goat said:
City code determines the specs but it doesn't matter to China made Trump ties because he doesn't pay his contractors for their work.
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Wrong. ASTM (formerly this acronym stood for American Society for Testing Materials) determines the specs for rebar steel in the US. Building code, usually Universal Building Code for commercial structures, specifies requirements like the amount and size of rebar. But the rebar itself is made to ASTM standards. A builder generally is not going to be required to test materials for compliance to those specifications but rather relies on the supplier to have made the product correctly. The problem with Chinese made materials is the factories often will fudge the testing or do it in compliance until certified then lower standards or drop them entirely once the testing agency leaves.
This happened with many Chinese products. An infamous one was Chinese made drywall.

You can start here on that disaster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall
 
RB 60 said:
That's because you don't know fuck about steels.

EDIT: Yeah. I misspelled it. it's spelled Tinsile
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ROFLMAO.. You still misspelled it. I knew you meant tensile but I just found tinsel to be funny.

Over the years I have done a lot of calculations using steel tensile strength. I have just never calculated the number of pieces of 36" tinsel needed to support 1,000 pounds with a minimal deflection.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. ASTM (formerly this acronym stood for American Society for Testing Materials) determines the specs for rebar steel in the US. Building code, usually Universal Building Code for commercial structures, specifies requirements like the amount and size of rebar. But the rebar itself is made to ASTM standards. A builder generally is not going to be required to test materials for compliance to those specifications but rather relies on the supplier to have made the product correctly. The problem with Chinese made materials is the factories often will fudge the testing or do it in compliance until certified then lower standards or drop them entirely once the testing agency leaves.
This happened with many Chinese products. An infamous one was Chinese made drywall.

You can start here on that disaster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall
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The point is that steel specs aren't closely inspected in concrete buildings.
 
RB 60 said:
You are obviously incompetent in steels, stupid foreigner. Go back to fucking goats.
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Says the sad paleface who spouts his knowledge of ' the tinsel strength of steel '

Go home to Europe, home of your forebears.

Oh yeah- and a merry christmas.

Haw, haw.................................haw.
 
goat said:
The point is that steel specs aren't closely inspected in concrete buildings.
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Other than checking the grade stamped on it, no. What is inspected is the correct size is used, the spacing is correct, the overlap and ties are correct, etc. That is all inspected.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ROFLMAO.. You still misspelled it. I knew you meant tensile but I just found tinsel to be funny.

Over the years I have done a lot of calculations using steel tensile strength. I have just never calculated the number of pieces of 36" tinsel needed to support 1,000 pounds with a minimal deflection.
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My understanding of tensile strengths were for sheet steels we used back in the early 80's, so my recollections are vague.
We used the Rockwell standard for the forging dies we made/repaired later on with the "bouncing ball" method. That company
required a standard hardness and we put them in a heat treating oven to harden them back to specs. That was in the 90's.
After that, my machine work was mostly with stainless (303, 316, etc), hot and cold rolled steels.
 
moon said:
Says the sad paleface who spouts his knowledge of ' the tinsel strength of steel '

Go home to Europe, home of your forebears.

Oh yeah- and a merry christmas.

Haw, haw.................................haw.
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Fuck off, stupid foreigner...
 
There used to be a Chinese restaurant called Weylu's on Route 1 in Saugus Massachusetts.

It was packed every night. The parking lot spilled over. The food was spectacularly good.

It lasted about a year, stood empty for several, and just now met the wrecking ball.

The place was huge, ornate, under-capitalized and over-indebted.
Thus, despite great patronage by loyal and appreciative customers, it couldn't make it.

That's why US Steel postponed its big project. Under-capitalized.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
When it comes to tools, if you need it once, you buy it because it looks cool on your shelf. The price doesn't matter.
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I had over $2k in micrometers alone (inside, outside, pin, standard 0-1", 1"-2", 2"-3", etc) in one of my machinist boxes. That doesn't include all the hand made turning tools, sine bar, protractors, various indicators etc.
 
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