Alfie Evans now at peace

Phantasmal said:
There was no life saving treatment, please post the link that says there was.
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No one is claiming their was life saving treatment...and you might like post a link to your claim about the Pope sending doctors to the UK and making claims....

The problem was parental rights to do what they have every right to do, seek other avenues that were offered....
 
NOVA said:
Yes....the parents were offered help from a Vatican hospital, free...even free transportation was being provided...and they were forbidden by the state to take their kid to Italy to see if their was any chance for helping Alfie...however remote ......
however small that chance was....the state overruled the parents wishes....
This have nothing to do with the care he received in the UK or abortion, but everything to do with parents rights.....
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From the posted CNN link:

"Alfie's father had traveled to Rome earlier this month to meet Francis, who had expressed his backing for their cause, and a hospital in Rome offered to treat the toddler.
However, a visit to Alfie and consultation with his doctors led Roman doctors to conclude that the child's condition was irreversible and untreatable, according to a statement from Alder Hey. "

The child had been in a persistent vegetative state and on a vent for over a year. Apparently the hospital told the parents that there was no hope and that the vent and other life support should be withdrawn. They disagreed and wished to keep him "alive" on the vent as he continued to deteriorate. The taxpayers were paying for this very expensive treatment, btw. Even if we assume that they could have afforded to have the child taken to Italy for treatment, those physicians declined to treat after examining the child in person.

It is a difficult case and a difficult decision. It reminds me very much of the Terry Schiavo case.
 
Phantasmal said:
No, my understanding is they were not using their own funds. Otherwise, there would have been no problem.
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Sorry, upon further reading there is a law that the government was using to keep the parent from transporting their child, my apologies for the error.
 
NOVA said:
No one is claiming their was life saving treatment...and you might like post a link to your claim about the Pope sending doctors to the UK and making claims....

The problem was parental rights to do what they have every right to do, seek other avenues that were offered....
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I did post a link yesterday.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
From the posted CNN link:

"Alfie's father had traveled to Rome earlier this month to meet Francis, who had expressed his backing for their cause, and a hospital in Rome offered to treat the toddler.
However, a visit to Alfie and consultation with his doctors led Roman doctors to conclude that the child's condition was irreversible and untreatable, according to a statement from Alder Hey. "

The child had been in a persistent vegetative state and on a vent for over a year. Apparently the hospital told the parents that there was no hope and that the vent and other life support should be withdrawn. They disagreed and wished to keep him "alive" on the vent as he continued to deteriorate. The taxpayers were paying for this very expensive treatment, btw. Even if we assume that they could have afforded to have the child taken to Italy for treatment, those physicians declined to treat after examining the child in person.

It is a difficult case and a difficult decision. It reminds me very much of the Terry Schiavo case.
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Thank you, this was the article I posted, yesterday.
 
Phantasmal said:
No, my understanding is they were not using their own funds. Otherwise, there would have been no problem.
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In addition, the Italian physicians and hospital declined to treat after examining the child and consulting with the UK physicians, as there was no treatment that would have made any difference at all. Simply bundling him and his life support up for transfer would have been quite traumatic for this little tadpole.
 
evince said:
if it means so much to your personal beliefs you should move to a nation that agrees with your religious tact as this nation will never make it illegal
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And that would be some Muslim nation. Threedee has something in common with them on this issue.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
In addition, the Italian physicians and hospital declined to treat after examining the child and consulting with the UK physicians, as there was no treatment that would have made any difference at all. Simply bundling him and his life support up for transfer would have been quite traumatic for this little tadpole.
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Either way, thats not for you to decide.....the parents have rights....

and I still haven't seen a link about those Vatican doctors making this diagnosis....I'm not saying you're wrong, I
just want to see the link....
 
NOVA said:
No one is claiming their was life saving treatment...and you might like post a link to your claim about the Pope sending doctors to the UK and making claims....

The problem was parental rights to do what they have every right to do, seek other avenues that were offered....
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and it seems there wasn't any
 
Hopefully one of our Right Wing friends can explain why they believe that a child in the U.S. is not entitled to taxpayer-funded medical care, food, housing, etc. -- but in another country with a nationalized medical system, the taxpayers should be on the hook for expensive and futile care for a child there.
 
NOVA said:
Either way, thats not for you to decide.....the parents have rights....
and I still haven't seen a link about those Vatican doctors making this diagnosis....I'm not saying you're wrong, I
just want to see the link....
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I'm grateful that it is *not* for me to decide.
 
Stretch said:
Rest in peace Alfie. :loveu:

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What a beautiful little boy. It's so sad.
 
Phantasmal said:
Thank you, this was the article I posted, yesterday.
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The article is inaccurate. Italy was willing to treat Alfie Evans.

The father of terminally ill toddler Alfie Evans said Thursday that he plans to meet doctors to discuss taking his son home from a British hospital.
Pope Francis has been praying for the boy, and the Italian government granted the child Italian citizenship and lined up a transportation plan that could swiftly bring the sick 23-month-old boy to a Vatican hospital. But Alfie’s doctors say he cannot be healed and shouldn’t make the trip at all.
On Tuesday, a British judge sided with the doctors, saying that the family cannot accept the offer to take Alfie to the Vatican for treatment. An appeals court swiftly re-heard the case and upheld the previous day’s ruling, saying on Wednesday that Alfie cannot leave the country. His father has appealed to Pope Francis to travel to Liverpool to see the situation, according to an Italian news agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ospital/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a693ea3c1361
 
This is all bullshit, the poor mite had no brain left and there is no way on earth that brain tissue can regenerate. This is really about making you lot feel better about your health system, the plug would have been pulled, in a US hospital, as soon as the money dried up ffs.

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[FONT=&quot][h=1]NHS rationing 'is denying patients care' as cash crisis deepens[/h]
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[FONT=&quot]Survey of doctors reveals concern about adults and children being denied treatment, resulting in emergency care or worsening of long-term conditions


Patients are being denied mental health care, new hips and knees, and drugs to boost their recovery from illnesses including cancer as the NHS increasingly rations treatments to try to overcome its growing cash crisis.
A survey of doctors reveals that three-quarters said they had seen care rationed in their area over the last year – including treatments such as speech therapy, operations to remove varicose veins, Botox to help children with cerebral palsy move better and even potentially life-saving stem cell transplant surgery.

Disabled children were having to use ill-fitting wheelchairs, teenage girls were banned from accessing medication to tackle male-style hair growth and women had been unable to access surgery to have breast enlargements or reductions as a result of growing restrictions across England, the research concluded.
Medical organisations said the findings showed patients were paying the price because an underfunded NHS was having to force them to wait for care or deny it altogether.

Dr Mark Porter, leader of the British Medical Association, said: “The NHS is being forced to choose between which patients to treat, with some facing delays in treatment and others being denied some treatments entirely. This survey lays bare the extreme pressure across the system and the distress caused to patients as a result.”
Almost four in five (78%) of the 749 doctors in England who took part in the survey – conducted for the Guardian by Binley’s OnMedica, a healthcare data and intelligence provider – said patients who were denied treatment suffered increased anxiety as a result.
One patient killed himself after experiencing a delay in receiving help with mental health problems. Another doctor told how “several teenage girls with hirsutism [male-style hair growth on the face, chest or back] have experienced severe psychological distress and bullying [after being denied drugs to treat it]. Some have self-harmed and been admitted to hospital as a result”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ing-patients-care-cash-crisis-survery-doctors

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