Are all Republicans fascists?

[Ichabod Stain]

Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

—Giovanni Gentile* “Encyclopedia Italiana”

This definition from one of the exponents of the program has far more clarity than the over-used one coming from present day people of mostly liberal persuasion who define fascism as anything they don’t like about present reality, without understanding that without capitalist reality there would be no possibility of what can become what is called fascism.

When capitalism is in its most critical state, pretense of democracy vanishes and big money power that always ruled from behind the scenes comes forward to publicly bring order to what seems to threaten chaos; democratic power accruing to the great mass of the people, which translates to chaos for the minority rulers who get away with being out numbered not only by employing imperial military forces but keeping majorities under control by use of consciousness controlling mind management techniques creating commercial distractions among them and hiding class behind false human differences like ethnicity, religion and race.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020...-it-is-a-merger-of-state-and-corporate-power/

 

[BattleofHodow]

Trump and the GOP are trying to undermine the systems of voting. Instead of strengthening the institutions of voting they are weakening them so political bodies can control them. This is fascism.

What kind of Democracy voting rights do Communist societies have!?

 

[BidenPresident]

Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

—Giovanni Gentile* “Encyclopedia Italiana”

This definition from one of the exponents of the program has far more clarity than the over-used one coming from present day people of mostly liberal persuasion who define fascism as anything they don’t like about present reality, without understanding that without capitalist reality there would be no possibility of what can become what is called fascism.

When capitalism is in its most critical state, pretense of democracy vanishes and big money power that always ruled from behind the scenes comes forward to publicly bring order to what seems to threaten chaos; democratic power accruing to the great mass of the people, which translates to chaos for the minority rulers who get away with being out numbered not only by employing imperial military forces but keeping majorities under control by use of consciousness controlling mind management techniques creating commercial distractions among them and hiding class behind false human differences like ethnicity, religion and race.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020...-it-is-a-merger-of-state-and-corporate-power/

ok

 

[Into the Night]

Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Dictionaries do not define words. This is not the definition of fascism. False authority fallacy.

Fascism is simply government manipulation of markets. It is a form of socialism. The term 'fascism' was coined by Mussolini from the word 'fascio', meaning bundle. His model was to manipulate markets, not own them (though he later turned to communism anyway).

Fascism is a form of socialism. It is theft of wealth. It can only be implemented by oligarchies or dictatorships. In Italy's case at the time, it was dictatorship.

Oligarchies and dictators must forcibly suppress opposition, or they lose power. That is not fascism, just the nature of oligarchies and dictatorships which are required to implement fascism (or communism).

 

[Into the Night]

Right, Europe is more Left wing than most other continents.
But, some are not so Left like Poland & Hungary.

I'll go along with that.

 

[Micawber]

Fascist or ignorant of the fascism they support. Matters not. They all vote fascist.

 

[BidenPresident]

Fascist or ignorant of the fascism they support. Matters not. They all vote fascist.

Gosar could have apologized for posting a video threating violence against
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. He refused and got censured.

 

[Into the Night]

When Mussolini stepped into power, fascism had none of the superior-race, blood-and-soil trappings that came to Germany with Hitlerism.

This is actually generally true. The superior race and racist laws later implemented (about 1938) came from Germany.

All the other elements of fascism were there, however: belief in violence,

Not an element of fascism, though violence often is the result of fascism.

disbelief in legal processes,

Not an element of fascism. The oligarchy or dictatorship IS the legal process...warped as it is.

rabid nationalism,

Not an element of fascism. Fascism is an economic system, not a nation.

and so on. But the regime was not totalitarian in its first three years.

It was, but it didn't carry the racial trappings of Germany until later.

Opposition parties were still legal, a strong opposition press operated under difficulties, and Mussolini kept talking about a return to normalcy.

His 'return' to 'normalcy' wasn't. The only way to return to normalcy was for Mussolini to total relinquish power.

...deleted Holy Quote...

You will find that you must present your own arguments with me. Cut and paste is mindless.

 

[Into the Night]

Right, Mussolini even argued against Hitler against notions of superior or pure races.

That he did. Of course, Hitler got his way over Italy in the end.

 

[Into the Night]

and?

RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, but in the USA corporations dictate a lot of policy while Nazi Germany was sort of opposite where the government dictated over Corporations.

Corporations do not dictate anything except the operation of their own company. That is not fascism. That is capitalism.

 

[Into the Night]

Benito Mussolini, an Italian World War I veteran and publisher of Socialist newspapers, breaks with the Italian Socialists and establishes the nationalist Fasci di Combattimento, named after the Italian peasant revolutionaries, or “Fighting Bands,” from the 19th century. Commonly known as the Fascist Party, Mussolini’s new right-wing organization advocated Italian nationalism, had black shirts for uniforms, and launched a program of terrorism and intimidation against its leftist opponents.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mussolini-founds-the-fascist-party

Socialism is left wing. Democrats.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Corporations do not dictate anything except the operation of their own company. That is not fascism. That is capitalism.

Capitalist companies are behind hiring illegal immigrants & outsourcing to China.

That's 2 of the biggest headaches of modern America..

Let's not forget Corporate financiers & Lobbyists

Of course real Fascists would never tolerate that.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Mussolini was big on Stimulus funding & social welfare.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Fascist_Italy

A former school teacher, Mussolini’s spending on the public sector, schools and infrastructure was considered extravagant. Mussolini "instituted a programme of public works hitherto unrivaled in modern Europe. Bridges, canals and roads were built, hospitals and schools, railway stations and orphanages; swamps were drained and land reclaimed, forests were planted and universities were endowed".[21] As for the scope and spending on social welfare programs, Italian fascism "compared favorably with the more advanced European nations and in some respect was more progressive".[22] When New York city politician Grover Aloysius Whalen asked Mussolini about the meaning behind Italian fascism in 1939, the reply was: "It is like your New Deal!".[23]

By 1925, the Fascist government had "embarked upon an elaborate program" that included food supplementary assistance, infant care, maternity assistance, general healthcare, wage supplements, paid vacations, unemployment benefits, illness insurance, occupational disease insurance, general family assistance, public housing and old age and disability insurance.[24] As for public works, the Mussolini's administration "devoted 400 million lire of public monies" for school construction between 1922 and 1942, compared to only 60 million lire between 1862 and 1922.[25]

 

[Into the Night]

That's just unthinking rhetoric.

I can't upload pictures to this site, so I'll just have to describe this. You have a graph. It has three axes at right angles to one and other. These are labeled Political, Economic, and Social. X, Y, Z, if you will.

The Political axis is defined from Anarchy (a lack of any government system) to Dictatorship (one person rules all) at opposite extremes. Think of this as zero (0) being anarchy and ten (10) being dictatorship.

The Economic axis is defined from Barter (lack of an economic system) to Command Economy (total control of the economy by the state). Again, this goes from zero to ten with Barter being zero.

The Social axis is defined from Individual (individual actions dominate the society) to Group or State (the individual is subsumed into the whole of society and there is no individualism). Again, zero to ten.

When you place the often ill-defined political terms on this graph, the Left comes out in the region near ten (10) while the extreme Right comes out near zero (0). It makes for an orderly placement of political, economic, and social systems that is often lacking in discussions. So, placed on this graph both Fascism and Communism come out on the Left (near 10). Both are dictatorships. Both use command economies to a large degree, and both subsume the individual placing the state above the individual in importance. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two. Yet, Fascism is claimed to be on the "Right" while Communism is on the "Left." That makes ZERO empirical sense. Two things that share similar characteristics cannot be opposites.
Sure, Fascists and Communists can hate each other. One group of Communists can hate another too. That doesn't make them opposites in terms of their political, economic, or social views and they'd all still be on the Left when it comes to that.

Barter is not an economic system. It is simply using direct barter instead of using a currency for indirect barter. There is no such thing as 'command economy' as an economic system. You are describing a dictatorship or oligarchy as an economic system.

So your 'economic axis' has unit errors.

A better way to describe your economic axis is from Capitalism (where all economic activity is voluntary, and theft does not occur); to Slavery (where all economic activity is owned by someone else, and all contributors to that economy are owned by someone else. AKA a Master). The road to misery begins with leaving capitalism, through fascism, then communism, then slavery.

Your conclusion based on your graph is still correct.

 

[Into the Night]

So, Communists & Capitalists are never violent!?

Violence s how Communism took over & spread.

Capitalism doesn't need force. Socialism does.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Barter is not an economic system. It is simply using direct barter instead of using a currency for indirect barter. There is no such thing as 'command economy' as an economic system. You are describing a dictatorship or oligarchy as an economic system.

So your 'economic axis' has unit errors.

A better way to describe your economic axis is from Capitalism (where all economic activity is voluntary, and theft does not occur); to Slavery (where all economic activity is owned by someone else, and all contributors to that economy are owned by someone else. AKA a Master). The road to misery begins with leaving capitalism, through fascism, then communism, then slavery.

Your conclusion based on your graph is still correct.

No theft occurs in Capitalism!?

The USA & England the 2 most Capitalist societies were founded on theft.

Certainly neither have seen a shortage of brutality, war mongering, theft & genocide.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Capitalism doesn't need force. Socialism does.

The USA since the mid 1940s has tried to use force to spread Capitalism.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Fascist or ignorant of the fascism they support. Matters not. They all vote fascist.

Isn't that the purpose of democracy?

 

[Into the Night]

Illegal immigrants are hired in mass by Capitalist companies.
So are jobs outsourced by Wall Street decisions.
AKA Capitalism.

Modern China is more similar to Fascism than Communism or Capitalism.
& represents
The biggest economic miracle in history.

Nazi Germany also beat every US president of the last 100 years in economic growth.

So, it's a myth that ONLY Capitalism in pure Laissez Faire forms builds wealth.

Fascism is not a nation. Communism is not a nation. Capitalism is not a nation.

Theft is not economic growth.
Only capitalism can create wealth.

Nazi Germany's economic 'miracle' never happened. Germany at the time was ALREADY a leader in the steel and chemical industries, long before socialism raised it's ugly head there. The Nazis squandered Germany's wealth on war.