Red Flag Law- Extreme Risk Protective Order

[SmarterthanYou]

We are having an adult conversation here so you children should stay out. I'd like to hear if anyone has a good idea besides taking away guns.

how about removing the unnecessary fear of guns that liberals have instilled in people, teach these people how to use a gun to defend themselves, then let them carry a gun without fear of being shot by the government later?

i wonder how many gang drive by shootings would never happen if every parent on the street had an AR15 ready to fire back

 

[John Barron]

how about removing the unnecessary fear of guns that liberals have instilled in people, teach these people how to use a gun to defend themselves, then let them carry a gun without fear of being shot by the government later?

i wonder how many gang drive by shootings would never happen if every parent on the street had an AR15 ready to fire back

I agree about unnecessary fear. If we had educational classes at a young age it might make a difference. My family are all hunters. We start them young with bb guns teach them the right way to handle firearms.
I think drive bys would happen no matter what some people just kill for no reason.
Every parent on the street with an AR15 would be crazy. Parents get into fights over T-ball.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

we didn't write the constitution to allow the government to rewrite it's 'terms'

stop relying on the convoluted words of a fucking lawyer to understand words that are not only clearly written, but expounded upon in numerous statements from the founders


the 2nd Amendment doesn't give us the right to bear arms, it tells the federal government that it has no power over them. repealing the 2nd doesn't really change that, it just ignores the warning to the feds. now, if you feel that surrendering your ability to keep your freedom is in your best interest, perhaps this isnt the country for you

Look! I don't want to get into arguing about the Constitution. There is the original document, and then there is the majorly ratified version of 1789-1791 that includes the Bill of Rights. So even 20 some odd years after it was written, even the same (FEDERALIST) forefathers knew, they didn't think of everything or every American's individual rights when it was drafted in 1776. And, you know, and I know, that the Bill Of Rights did not even include the rights of women or minorities. So, it has been amended 100's of times since then.

But for you people that think that the Constitution is somehow carved in a stone tablet, from some burning bush set ablaze by GOD- and try to justify your skewed political positions today based on the original Constitution are totally bat-shit-crazy people. You people who's minds are stuck in the Revolutionary era of White Nationalists, Protectionists, Misogynists, Federalists, Purists, Racists, Zenophobes, and Zealots, who actually feared democracy, are totally bat-shit-crazy.

I can't deal with people who are anti-democracy and bat-shit-crazy! But, I will fight them politically- until we become a PURE democracy in every way- not just play around the edges of it in a politically hypocritical autocratic way!!

You people live in the stone age! And if you are so dead set against Democracy- then maybe it is you who should pack up and go find you another country to live!

 

[Stretch]

There are laws for that already. How does this prevent a lunatic from committing atrocities? The gunman in Vegas is the best example. No history of mental illness, guns purchased legally, not criminal background or run-ins with the law.

How would this have stopped him?

Oh I agree there. That guy was the GLARING exception. That nut flew under the radar his entire life.

 

[Wolverine]

Look! I don't want to get into arguing about the Constitution. There is the original document, and then there is the majorly ratified version of 1789-1791 that includes the Bill of Rights. So even 20 some odd years after it was written, even the same (FEDERALIST) forefathers knew, they didn't think of everything or every American's individual rights when it was drafted in 1776. And, you know, and I know, that the Bill Of Rights did not even include the rights of women or minorities. So, it has been amended 100's of times since then.

But for you people that think that the Constitution is somehow carved in a stone tablet, from some burning bush set ablaze by GOD- and try to justify your skewed political positions today based on the original Constitution are totally bat-shit-crazy people. You people who's minds are stuck in the Revolutionary era of White Nationalists, Protectionists, Misogynists, Federalists, Purists, Racists, Zenophobes, and Zealots, who actually feared democracy, are totally bat-shit-crazy.

I can't deal with people who are anti-democracy and bat-shit-crazy! But, I will fight them politically- until we become a PURE democracy in every way- not just play around the edges of it in a politically hypocritical autocratic way!!

You people live in the stone age! And if you are so dead set against Democracy- then maybe it is you who should pack up and go find you another country to live!

Fuck you, and the Horse you rode in on, i will fight to remain a free country, and not let tyrannical aristocrats of the left take over, see ya on the battlefield ya ignorant coward. Why don't you and your ignorant democracy(socialist) friends move, we were founded as a Representative Republic and should remain that way, go build you stupopia somewhere else Adolph! Seriously, get the fuck out and take your ignoramous congress critters with you!

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I think drive bys would happen no matter what some people just kill for no reason.

every gangbanger i've ever had the misfortune of knowing was a selfish coward at heart. yeah, you might have the occasional suicidal nutjob, but for the most part they will avoid armed people who are ready.

Every parent on the street with an AR15 would be crazy. Parents get into fights over T-ball.

it would only take one incident to end that shit on the spot.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Look! I don't want to get into arguing about the Constitution. There is the original document, and then there is the majorly ratified version of 1789-1791 that includes the Bill of Rights. So even 20 some odd years after it was written, even the same (FEDERALIST) forefathers knew, they didn't think of everything or every American's individual rights when it was drafted in 1776. And, you know, and I know, that the Bill Of Rights did not even include the rights of women or minorities. So, it has been amended 100's of times since then.

But for you people that think that the Constitution is somehow carved in a stone tablet, from some burning bush set ablaze by GOD- and try to justify your skewed political positions today based on the original Constitution are totally bat-shit-crazy people. You people who's minds are stuck in the Revolutionary era of White Nationalists, Protectionists, Misogynists, Federalists, Purists, Racists, Zenophobes, and Zealots, who actually feared democracy, are totally bat-shit-crazy.

I can't deal with people who are anti-democracy and bat-shit-crazy! But, I will fight them politically- until we become a PURE democracy in every way- not just play around the edges of it in a politically hypocritical autocratic way!!

You people live in the stone age! And if you are so dead set against Democracy- then maybe it is you who should pack up and go find you another country to live!

you obviously don't know much about the constitution.

 

[Wolverine]

WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHO DOES AND DOESN'T GET TO HAVE A FIRE ARM THE DEMOCRAPS? HARD PASS

 

[Getin the ring]

guns , big guns, and high capacity magazines in the hands of law abiding citizens is not the problem, if it was you nut**bags would know it by now

 

[Bigdog]

Just wanted to add this to the conversation ...

"Federal Law
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

In addition to Federal law, many States have their own laws relevant to this issue.

Looks like Red Flag laws are unnecessary.

 

[John Barron]

every gangbanger i've ever had the misfortune of knowing was a selfish coward at heart. yeah, you might have the occasional suicidal nutjob, but for the most part they will avoid armed people who are ready.


it would only take one incident to end that shit on the spot.

One incident in each little city could equal to 100's or 1000's or more people across the country shot.

I think it is going to take some sort of education in 5th or 6th grades like they did way back when I was in school. They had sex education movies we had to watch.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

One incident in each little city could equal to 100's or 1000's or more people across the country shot.

no, only one incident. it would make world headlines. there would not be the 100s or 1000s you intimate.

I think it is going to take some sort of education in 5th or 6th grades like they did way back when I was in school. They had sex education movies we had to watch.

agreed. but they also need to start teaching the constitution again, the real one.

 

[John Barron]

Just wanted to add this to the conversation ...

"Federal Law
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

In addition to Federal law, many States have their own laws relevant to this issue.

Looks like Red Flag laws are unnecessary.

In some states you can go to an auction and buy a gun or ammunition right there on the spot. No check of anything.

 

[Bigdog]

In some states you can go to an auction and buy a gun or ammunition right there on the spot. No check of anything.

Properly apply the Federal law and "mental defectives" won't get outpatient status.

 

[Earl]

Yes little Gearl you may post. Just so your feelings aren't hurt. Snowflake.

You take orders quite well, Johnny. Glad to see you acting a bit more adult-like, Johnny.

What else do I need to set you straight on, Johnny?

Feelings? On an Internet forum? Surely you jest, Johnny.

 

[Rune]

WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHO DOES AND DOESN'T GET TO HAVE A FIRE ARM THE DEMOCRAPS? HARD PASS

This bill has bi-partisan support, shitstain.

 

[Into the Night]

I was only using an analogy. And, I don't think that a gun is a symptom.

Then don't compare guns to disease as if they were.

Of course a mass murderer should be convicted.

Fine. We agree on that.

As I said:
If there are legitimate witnesses to the behavior of someone with symptoms of rage syndrome, bouts of irrational anger, an obsession with weapons (and not
for sport), recent history of battering or bullying a weaker human or animal, keeps to himself in a closed off room for the majority of time, shows little to no interest
in school, recreation, work, social gatherings, on and on and on...........

^ These are the ones who should not have access to weapons. They need some medical help and attention way before they get their hands on a gun.

What you are describing is someone that has probably been to a psychoquack at some time. These clowns often prescribe mind-altering drugs that can put them over the edge into suicidal or homicidal tendencies. These psychoquacks have a lot to answer for.

 

[Into the Night]

You know what? Not everybody can afford a few thousand (or even hundred) dollars to stock up on firearms and equipment.
A lot of folks would be left defenseless. Just sayin'.

Irrelevant. They have the right to defend themselves by any means. If all they can afford is a bag of lead shot to use as a sap knuckle, that's what they can use as their arm. No one is required to buy their weapons for them.

 

[Into the Night]

UH - Marijuana is not mentioned in the Constitution, so your attempt to connect the two is a fallacy.

The federal government has no legal authority to restrict any drug.

They DO have legal authority to warn the public about the bad effects of some drug, but they cannot restrict it (legally).
States are another matter. Some States DO have that authority.

 

[Into the Night]

you can argue in the abstract that the individual rights are unassailable -but they are obviously not.

It is absolute. The federal government as absolutely no power to ban or limit guns. The States have absolute no power to ban or limit guns.

we even put restrictions on free speech like no incitement to violence.

The federal government is not allowed to. They are specifically prohibited from passing such a law.
The States are allowed to, if and only if the authority is given to them by their own constitutions.

The same principle applies to the 2nd.

The 2nd amendment is binding on the States. The 1st is not.

From what I understand those who are red flagged will get due process

Getting 'red flagged' is NOT due process.

it's a short hand term obviously -but if there is shown cause ( and i would expect that to be enumerated/statute)
and a judicial hearing does in fact find them to be a danger top society -there is the deranged mind

If they are a danger to society because of their mental condition, they should not be set loose in public.