This is one seriously depressing election

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I mean, I can tell that even the "defend party at all costs" partisans are mailing it in this time.

Such a drag. I know that there ARE people who are genuinely enthusiastic about Trump & the same for Hillary, but I genuinely don't understand either group. I mean, I even understood enthusiasm for GW, because as lame as he was, he at least had a simple & consistent conservative message.

But these are completely uncharted waters. Two incredibly flawed, dishonest candidates, both of whom will basically say anything to get elected. If you're gung ho about either, you really need to take a look at the kind of bar you're setting. No one should be excited about this election.

 

[cawacko]

It happens every election but it's happening even more now and that's the argument/defense of "can you imagine (Trump or Clinton depending on your 'side') as President? And that's the justification for supporting the opposite person. Thus less support of why your candidate is good.

 

[Celticguy]

It's understandable that lefties are feeling this way.
To me it's the best ever !

 

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It happens every election but it's happening even more now and that's the argument/defense of "can you imagine (Trump or Clinton depending on your 'side') as President? And that's the justification for supporting the opposite person. Thus less support of why your candidate is good.

I used to be very judgmental about all Trump supporters. But now I'm more forgiving of those who are just casting a "not Hillary" vote.

The ones who are gaga over him I do not understand. Nor do I ever want to.

 

[cawacko]

I used to be very judgmental about all Trump supporters. But now I'm more forgiving of those who are just casting a "not Hillary" vote.

The ones who are gaga over him I do not understand. Nor do I ever want to.

There's a (big) debate going on among the "elite establishment" on the right between those who will not support Trump and those who don't like Trump but will support him so Hillary doesn't win. I'm not seen this level of inner party turmoil/disagreement before over a Presidential candidate on the Republican side. (since I've been following politics)

 

[CFM]

I used to be very judgmental about all Trump supporters. But now I'm more forgiving of those who are just casting a "not Hillary" vote.

The ones who are gaga over him I do not understand. Nor do I ever want to.

Aren't you a Bolshevik Bernie socialist piece of shit?

 

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There's a (big) debate going on among the "elite establishment" on the right between those who will not support Trump and those who don't like Trump but will support him so Hillary doesn't win. I'm not seen this level of inner party turmoil/disagreement before over a Presidential candidate on the Republican side. (since I've been following politics)

Democrats blew it this year, big time. Just about any other candidate would probably beat Trump handily. Hillary is the one political figure on the left who those on the right have a truly vitriolic reaction to.

 

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Aren't you a Bolshevik Bernie socialist piece of shit?

I'm not a Sanders supporter, no. No reason for the tone of your post. Too much caffeine, maybe? You a Raptors fan?

 

[CFM]

Democrats blew it this year, big time. Just about any other candidate would probably beat Trump handily. Hillary is the one political figure on the left who those on the right have a truly vitriolic reaction to.

Should Democrats have picked Bolshevik Bernie? If so, proves that Democrats support freeloaders.

 

[cawacko]

I'm not a Sanders supporter, no. No reason for the tone of your post. Too much caffeine, maybe? You a Raptors fan?

Ha! Laughing at the Raptors fan comment.

 

[Celticguy]

Democrats blew it this year, big time. Just about any other candidate would probably beat Trump handily. Hillary is the one political figure on the left who those on the right have a truly vitriolic reaction to.

She has a massive store of things people can't overlook and that was before her turn at State. That was one sorry mess there.
Dems screwed up having no option when Biden walked away.
But they were due to lose the battle of the pendulum anyway so it's understandabless no one was interested.

 

[CFM]

Should Democrats have picked Bolshevik Bernie? If so, proves that Democrats support freeloaders.

You don't like Trump. You say Democrats blew it this year which one would assume you aren't a Hillary fan. You say you don't like Bernie. Who, then?

Toronto Raptors?

 

[NOVA]

Scandals don't just appear out of thin air....they all are born of something that just smells bad about a person of issue...

Trump has his problems, no doubt, but about what ?
Trumps net worth....irrelevant
Trump University?....Petty but under litigation
Trump Steaks?......nothing there
Trumps Taxes?....mostly innuendo and allegations so far
Trumps off the wall remarks....well, hes definitely not a politician...he misspeaks more often than anyone...is he lying or just flustered and confused about
what hes being asked....hes crude, hes impolite, hes obviously not pc.....most know that an say " so what".
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Hillary?....Hillary and Bill have been mired in scandals forever, him since his teen years and her since he was governor...
From dodging the draft, to
Monica Lewinsky
Impeachment
Benghazi
Asia fundraising scandal
Hillary’s private emails
Whitewater
Travelgate
Humagate
Foundation favors
Mysterious disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
Filegate mis-use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
The Waco tragedy
The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philanderin
Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.


Guess it depends on what is more important to you and the country....

 

[Celticguy]

Scandals don't just appear out of thin air....they all are born of something that just smells bad about a person of issue...

Trump has his problems, no doubt, but about what ?

Trump University?....Petty
Trump Steaks?......nothing there
Trumps Taxes?....mostly innuendo and allegations so far
Trumps off the wall remarks....well, hes definitely not a politician...he misspeaks more often than anyone...is he lying or just flustered and confused about
what hes being asked....hes crude, hes impolite, hes obviously not pc.....most know that an say " so what".
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Hillary?....Hillary and Bill have been mired in scandals forever, him since his teen years and her since he was governor...
From dodging the draft, to
Monica Lewinsky
Impeachment
Benghazi
Asia fundraising scandal
Hillary’s private emails
Whitewater
Travelgate
Humagate
Foundation favors
Mysterious disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
Filegate mis-use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
The Waco tragedy
The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philanderin
Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.


Guess it depends on what is more important to you and the country....

And the answer to that us only too clear

 

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You don't like Trump. You say Democrats blew it this year which one would assume you aren't a Hillary fan. You say you don't like Bernie. Who, then?

Toronto Raptors?

I liked Kasich. I'm a Knicks fan.

The Dem field in general was just bad. No one wanted to challenge Hillary, for whatever reason.

 

[cawacko]

You said you haven't chosen a candidate yet CFM. Who's in your top two?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Scandals don't just appear out of thin air....they all are born of something that just smells bad about a person of issue...

Trump has his problems, no doubt, but about what ?
Trumps net worth....irrelevant
Trump University?....Petty but under litigation
Trump Steaks?......nothing there
Trumps Taxes?....mostly innuendo and allegations so far
Trumps off the wall remarks....well, hes definitely not a politician...he misspeaks more often than anyone...is he lying or just flustered and confused about
what hes being asked....hes crude, hes impolite, hes obviously not pc.....most know that an say " so what".
----------------------------------
Hillary?....Hillary and Bill have been mired in scandals forever, him since his teen years and her since he was governor...
From dodging the draft, to
Monica Lewinsky
Impeachment
Benghazi
Asia fundraising scandal
Hillary’s private emails
Whitewater
Travelgate
Humagate
Foundation favors
Mysterious disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
Filegate mis-use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
The Waco tragedy
The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philanderin
Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.


Guess it depends on what is more important to you and the country....

Why are you isolating "scandals" as the only criteria?

Trump is a con man & a fraud. He stand for nothing but himself. He's rash & emotional, and has less understanding about the nuances of foreign policy than any Presidential candidate I have seen, ever.

I get that you're all in on Trump now, bravs. I could have predicted that when Trump took his first escalator ride. But he's a complete phony, who stands for nothing.

It's kind of hilarious that you put draft-dodging for Clinton, but not for Trump. Double-standard much?

 

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Lame list for the Clintons, btw. A lot of "reaches." If you were objective, you could come up w/ the same thing for Trump & his pretty questionable past.

 

[Phantasmal]

Why are you isolating "scandals" as the only criteria?

Trump is a con man & a fraud. He stand for nothing but himself. He's rash & emotional, and has less understanding about the nuances of foreign policy than any Presidential candidate I have seen, ever.

I get that you're all in on Trump now, bravs. I could have predicted that when Trump took his first escalator ride. But he's a complete phony, who stands for nothing.

It's kind of hilarious that you put draft-dodging for Clinton, but not for Trump. Double-standard much?

He left a lot off the Trump list, but I'm sure he just copied this from someone else and he doesn't, nor do others know all if Trumps scandals because he makes everyone sign a non disclosure agreement.

 

[CFM]

I liked Kasich. I'm a Knicks fan.

The Dem field in general was just bad. No one wanted to challenge Hillary, for whatever reason.

I have no idea why you would ask about me being a Raptors fan. Nothing, and I mean nothing, I've said even remotely implies that I am. In fact, I don't watch pro basketball.

For whatever reason? There isn't but one. She was the chosen one. Democrats picked skin color over reproductive organ in 2008. Since what Hillary has was of secondary importance to getting a black President first, since that's been done it only leaves that one characteristic she was born with. Listen to many who support her. They'll say it's because she's a woman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gIkWPD7LNg