Democratic impeachment inquiry blocking important action in Congress

normally it would be just plain "do nothings" - but now add in the colossal waste of time
( votes take debate time as well) for the Schiff show, and POTUS is rightly calling them "Do nothing witch hunts"

Indeed they can't walk and chew gum at the same time

I think they serve a useful purpose. They called Mueller a witch hunt but we learned how Russians interfered in 2016 and convicted many people of criminal activities just as Benghazi and the email investigations discovered activities which can be corrected for the future. Horowitz and Durham are revealing irregularities about the FISA process. Learning the facts may help destroy all the conspiracy theories surrounding this stuff.
 
Citation required for where the statute says the WH must remain anonymous.

Btw, it’s ‘Chief’.

And I'll ask again then, if everyone knows who the whistleblower is as the right tells us, and there exists no law preventing anyone exposing his identity, why hasn't Trump persoanlly attacked the person like he does everyone else? Why hasn't Fox broadcasted who the individual is and what he/she does in the Gov't so that they can apply the "deep state" mythology?
 
I think they serve a useful purpose. They called Mueller a witch hunt but we learned how Russians interfered in 2016 and convicted many people of criminal activities
there were no convictions of coordinating with Russians by any US citizens. Mueller's "conclusion "
that the Internet Research Agency was tied to the Kremlin was never supported as well.

Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
We learned nothing -all we got was dezinformatsia

just as Benghazi and the email investigations discovered activities which can be corrected for the future.
what "email corrections " were learned?

As to Bengazi -if you don't understand the Libya War of 2011 by NATO weakened Qaddafi's ability to fight terrorism
then there can be no lessons from Bengazi


Horowitz and Durham are revealing irregularities about the FISA process. Learning the facts may help destroy all the conspiracy theories surrounding this stuff.
what conspiracy theories?
 
No bribery, no threats, no quid pro quo, nada...no collusion, no obstruction, nada.

Of course Biden and son...

Do you honestly believe that? WOW. Trump even quit saying it wasn't quid pro quo. Now he moved to it was not at the level of impeachment. He ignored the separation of powers. That is huge. The House has the power of the purse and they passed a bill sending the money to Ukraine. Trump stopped it without having the authority to do so. Trump does not know or care about the powers. He does what he wants.
 
No bribery, no threats, no quid pro quo, nada...no collusion, no obstruction, nada.

Of course Biden and son...

Do you honestly believe that? WOW. Trump even quit saying it wasn't quid pro quo. Now he moved to it was not at the level of impeachment. He ignored the separation of powers. That is huge. The House has the power of the purse and they passed a bill sending the money to Ukraine. Trump stopped it without having the authority to do so. Trump does not know or care about the powers. He does what he wants.
Not one single scrap of evidence against the Bidens and rightys are absolutely sure they committed some massive crime spree and they should be in jail for life.
 
there were no convictions of coordinating with Russians by any US citizens. Mueller's "conclusion "
that the Internet Research Agency was tied to the Kremlin was never supported as well.

I realize that, but with 100+ contacts with Russians by people associated with the campaign who then lied about it, there was reasonable cause to investigate. They found no coordination, but that does not mean it was not useful for catching many involved in criminal activities. The indictment of the Russians revealed in detail how they got into the DNC computers and attempted to influence the election--read the indictment against the Russians.

what conspiracy theories?

The whole Crowdstrike-server hoax. Crowdstrike (a California company not owned by a rich Ukranian and traded on Nasdaq) made an image of the information and did forensics on it (as described in the indictment of the Russians). This image and the forensics was made available to the FBI and Comey told the Intelligence Committee this information. There was never a missing server. Crowdstrike also did the analysis of the computers when Sony was hacked and one of their customers is the RNC.
 
I realize that, but with 100+ contacts with Russians by people associated with the campaign who then lied about it, there was reasonable cause to investigate. They found no coordination, but that does not mean it was not useful for catching many involved in criminal activities. The indictment of the Russians revealed in detail how they got into the DNC computers and attempted to influence the election--read the indictment against the Russians.
"contacts"with Russians is a terrib;e reason to investigate. Manafort and CArter PAge or ex had normal business contacts . For that to open a counter-inteeligence investigation is a travesty of justice and a threat to civil liberties



The whole Crowdstrike-server hoax. Crowdstrike (a California company not owned by a rich Ukranian and traded on Nasdaq) made an image of the information and did forensics on it (as described in the indictment of the Russians). This image and the forensics was made available to the FBI and Comey told the Intelligence Committee this information. There was never a missing server. Crowdstrike also did the analysis of the computers when Sony was hacked and one of their customers is the RNC.
crowdstrike has a shitty history identifying Ukraine malware . There is no reason the FBI could not do the forensics

CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery
https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/03/crowdstrike-revises-russian-hack-into-ukrainian-artillery/
 
Hello dukkha,



I do, and I understand the importance of controlling the center four squares. In this case that means the public perception. That is why every lie, exaggeration and untruth coming out of Trump fans has been resoundingly countered with the facts and reality Trump fans refuse to accept.

Obviously, you can't play chess...
 
The fact is the Dem house has passed over 350 bills and sent them to the Senate. The Senate is actually not doing anything but naming post offices and appointing unqualified judges. Moscow Mitch sits on every one of them. Even bills that are near-unanimously agreed upon sit.
 
Do you honestly believe that? WOW. Trump even quit saying it wasn't quid pro quo. Now he moved to it was not at the level of impeachment. He ignored the separation of powers. That is huge. The House has the power of the purse and they passed a bill sending the money to Ukraine. Trump stopped it without having the authority to do so. Trump does not know or care about the powers. He does what he wants.

Trump quit calling it a QPQ because the democrats did lol!

Schiff decided to have a focus group because QPQ wasn’t resonating with voters [why would anyone expect it to?] and that’s when they changed it to bribery.

Think about that: rather than pausing to consider the possibility they were over-reaching on this, Democrats had a focus group. An impeachment focus group. How anyone can still convince themselves this isn’t a political hit-job on a president is beyond me.
 
And I'll ask again then, if everyone knows who the whistleblower is as the right tells us, and there exists no law preventing anyone exposing his identity, why hasn't Trump persoanlly attacked the person like he does everyone else? Why hasn't Fox broadcasted who the individual is and what he/she does in the Gov't so that they can apply the "deep state" mythology?

I don’t know.

Whatever the reason is it’s not statutory. If it is watch this—Eric Ciaramella IS the WB.

Here’s a question no lefty will answer: since Eric has been outed for months, why don’t the ‘journalists’ go and talk to Eric?

Don’t they want to disprove the righty’s ‘conspiracy theory’?
 
Hello anatta,



Like Sondland's opinion is the end-all be-all.

It is apparent America's security was compromised as a part of a bribe in order to rig the 2020 election.

Dump Trump.
so you are back to your "beliefs". There was no shortage of lethal aid for Ukraine.
There was plenty already on the ground
Sondland gave FACT testimony ( no quid) and then he contradicted it with his "presumptions"

Meaning the fact of Trumps' statement are there,but the quid was his fantasy
 
Hello anatta,

it's direct evidence. you can contest it and say it is a quid but Sond said it wasn't under cross.
And he quoted Trump (direct evidence) which is much more then all the other 2nd and 3rd hand testimony shows

Anything Trump said while not under oath is only evidence of something Trump said, which we all know is highly suspect. Let him get sworn in. Then we will hold him to his word. If he is telling the truth, then that should be no problem.

And if he wants corroborating evidence, then we are going to have to hear from the key witnesses which have been prevented from testifying.

It is apparent that Trump fans do not want to get to the bottom of the story, do not want the truth, as much as they want to shield the President from accountability.
 
Hello Darth,

Sondland didn’t say there WAS a QPQ—he *presumed* there was one.

His testimony was worthless. Presumptions don’t count in a court of law. Only evidence counts and democrats don’t have any.

This whole thing is beyond ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is that Trump fans refuse to allow the evidence to be heard as they claim to know the truth.

That's not justice. That's not honesty. That's not the truth. That's just political protectionism.
 
Hello Darth,

What is ridiculous is that Trump fans refuse to allow the evidence to be heard as they claim to know the truth.

That's not justice. That's not honesty. That's not the truth. That's just political protectionism.

Well, the only apparent ‘truth’ is democrats are still looking for evidence lol.

And it doesn’t help matters that they can’t decide whether it’s a QPQ or a bribe. Sending this to the Senate with nothing but opinions and presumptions is nothing short of madness for Democrats. Now Jabba the Nadler wants Trump to testify [read: play along with the Democrats fishing expedition] in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

If I’m Trump my answer is...um, no thanks. Enough is enough. Democrats have been hounding this president literally since the day he sat down in the Oval Office.

And democrats need to consider the distinct possibility that is becoming more apparent, by the day, to everyone but the ‘Orange Man Bad’ crowd.
 
Hello anatta,



Anything Trump said while not under oath is only evidence of something Trump said, which we all know is highly suspect. Let him get sworn in. Then we will hold him to his word. If he is telling the truth, then that should be no problem.

And if he wants corroborating evidence, then we are going to have to hear from the key witnesses which have been prevented from testifying.

It is apparent that Trump fans do not want to get to the bottom of the story, do not want the truth, as much as they want to shield the President from accountability.
no way in the world Trump will or should testify.
Everything from Schiff stifling witnesses and questions from the Republicans screams this is a rigged game.

The evidence of Trump's phone call to Sond. can be entered without Trump's testimony.
It's up to cross to undermine that evidence.

Bottom of the story? are you kidding ? we HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT
 
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