Some of my less learned posters need a primer on impeachable offences.

Gonzomin said:
States don't vote. It is the people who voted Hillary over Trump by 3 million votes.
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If the "will of the people" means most (majority) of the people then several presidents did not have the votes of a majority including Trump (or Hillary), Clinton (1992 & 1996), Bush (2000), Nixon (1968), Kennedy (1960), Truman (1948), Wilson (1916 & 1912), Cleveland (1892), Harrison (1888), Cleveland (1884), Garfield (1880), Hayes (1876), Lincoln (1860), Buchanan (1856), Taylor (1848), Polk (1844), Q. Adams (1824). No real popular votes before 1824.

In all the above elections the majority of voters voted against the winning presidential candidate meaning the "will of the people" lost.
 
Truth Detector said:
You were okay when Eric Holder was Obama's lapdog and liar weren't you? You're not only a lying dunce, but a massive hypocrite on steroids.

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Was I?

You're a fucking liar.

Find it. Post it.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
... impeaching a president is a matter of utmost gravity and not a time to be ‘reciting parodies’ of the alleged offense in front of congress. Similarly, for the same reasons, it calls for absolute transparency AND due process for both sides.

The stunt Pelosi and Schiff are trying to pull would be considered a travesty by Hamilton.
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'Reciting paradies.' Isn't that what lawyers to in court every day? Somebody to voice your side of it, somebody to voice the opposing side? All in their own words?

This is how trials are argued. This is how cases are made.

And we have heard plenty of outright lies from Republican Congressmen, doing their best to paint the situation in a completely different light. Each side trying to make their case.

I don't think it's wise to argue with lies which have already been shown false, but I guess that's all they've got. There's no real substance to defend Trump ON. What else have Republicans GOT? They've tried arguing process. That's not going to fly. They are trying to call the impeachment illegitimate. That's going nowhere. Oh, well, I guess it's enough to rally the Fox news crowd. But you know if they had any real substance they would be USING IT. Some part of the Fox News Trump Crowd must wish they had more to defend him with. Some way to really say he didn't do it.

The 33% of 'Strongly approve' Trump fans are never going to change their mind no matter what evidence is presented. In their eyes, Trump simply cannot do any wrong. He is above the law. But for that other 10% of Trump fans who only 'Somewhat approve,' they might pay attention when it is shown that the process is actually legal and the evidence is solid. They might be uncomfortable supporting someone they know is guilty.
 
Jarod said:
OK, I can except that, but it’s not the same thing as a being the will of the people.
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The will of the people is not the same thing as the majority?

Is it the will of the people when a majority vote against the winning candidate?
 
Hello Gonzomin,

Gonzomin said:
Lindsey made it all clear during Clinton. A crime is not necessary .https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lindsey-graham-crime-impeach/ I know rightys, now that it is Trump is all different.
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Very interesting.

Lindsey Graham, Jan 1999:

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."

I wish we had that Lindsey Graham today.
 
Flash said:
The will of the people is not the same thing as the majority?

Is it the will of the people when a majority vote against the winning candidate?
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Why bother? All he and most Democrats show on this board is that they are far from the "learned" ones.
 
Jarod said:
That is a fair argument for why we need the electoral college, but it is not an argument that suggests the Will of the majority of Americans is the result.
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The argument regarding the will of the majority of Americans is a lame and inept argument. Presidential elections were about an electoral college; not a popularity contest with a mob.

If our founders had wanted a pure democracy, they would not have created a Republic of States. ;)
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Gonzomin,



Very interesting.

Lindsey Graham, Jan 1999:

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."

I wish we had that Lindsey Graham today.
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That pussy has the convictions of a Republican.
 
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